Tronic

Whats the point of having Indian pilots learning to operate on US carriers?

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wabpilot

Because you have a carrier and are getting another, perhaps two.

667medic

American carriers are different from the Indian ones. I think American carriers use the catapult system to enable the planes to take off but the Indian ones use the Ski Jump system....

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wabpilot

We have carriers with catapults and without. Basic carrier qualification regardless of ultimate type of aircraft flown is the same.

omon

yea, but landing is the same on both types. from what i,ve heard from navy pilots, taking off is not that hard, landing is the hardest part.

Ray

Indian naval aviators are trained on their own carriers.

Could someone explain what is the difference in working off US carriers and Indian carriers and why it requires special training?

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joey

Because T45 Goshawk is one of best fighter borne trainer available, after Navy also wanted to buy naval variant of BAE Hawk , BAE asked for more price, NAVY said we want it at IAF's price deal got dis-engaged.

glyn

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Jay

Sir,
Currently we have Harriers and they are different than the Mig-29's we are going to get for INS Vikramaditya. And US has best of the best in naval aviation and training facilities and the experience, that alone counts a lot.

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Jay

Glyn,
we couldve saved some more defence industrial jobs, but its your choice You couldve made money in the service contracts like the US does, anyway lets see what the navy is gonna get.

wabpilot

Whether it is your navy or ours, carrier qualification is a requirement as a part of the training. If a US naval aviator is exchanged with the Indian Navy, I would expect him to CARQUAL aboard your ship. In fact, I went through CARQUALs thirteen times during my twenty year career. (Twice in training, twice during tours through VF-101, six times during three sea tours and three times because I had an AIMD and had to qualify on different fixed wing aircraft in our wing.)

In terms of differences, I am not sure your terminology is the same as ours, but my recollection is your patterns look similar. At the very least your naval aviator would have to get familiar with our terminology. For arrested recovery, your aviators would have to learn that anew as I think your carrier has its arrester gear removed. So too they would have to learn the landing sight. If your aviator is going to transition to one of our Harrier squadrons, he will have to requal in the Harrier, but he would have to requal in whatever type he flies in a fleet squadron. The T-45 is just a trainer.

What good will this do for India when he returns? Aside from the high level of proficiencyl your aviator will attain, your aviator will be one of the few people around who has a clue how your new MiGs will recover aboard your new carrier(s). He will be a tremendously valuable asset when it comes time to start integrating aircraft and ship. Your Russian suppliers have very little experience launching and recovering aircraft from carriers. The entire Russian navy has little experience doing that. And most of what they know, they gained from watching us and the British from a distance.

kams

^^^wabpilot, you are right in that operational India carrier doesn't have arrested recovery system, it's geared for STOVL. Basically this training is for Groshkov and Mig-29K.

Apparently Russians could not offer training with the carrier and Migs , hence Indian govt. approached USA for training.

omon

^^ of course not , they don,t have a carrier.
russians untill recantly didn,t have true carrier, there are ships that capable of taking vtol yak 36, 38, and now 141, like kiev and moskow class, the only true carrier they had was kuznetsov, which is sold to china unfinished, hull was build but it wasn,t fitted with all needed electronics, i wonder if russia will ever have true and finished carrier.
almost forgot, the second varyag carrier is in ship yard in ukraine, most likely won,t ever be put to sea

Tronic

Russian navy has the Yak-141??? since when?

omon

since 1991 in VERY limited numders, i wonder if they still fly,
actually i said there are ships that capable of taking vtol yak 36, 38, and now 141, but not that russian navy has a lot of them,

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