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Old 01-01-2007, 18:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pakistan to get high-tech air defence system

Pakistan to get high-tech air defence system
By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: As per President Musharraf's directives Pakistan will acquire a high-tech air defence system next year, but it must come with transfer of technology, an official told The News.

"China and a European country have offered Pakistan High-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Low-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Medium-Altitude Air Defence System and Short-Range Air Defence System," said an official, who wanted not to be named. "The two countries have also offered to set up a project in Pakistan for manufacturing short- medium- and high-range air defence systems," he added.

The official said a former PAF chief had sent a summary to President Musharraf for the purchase of a high-altitude air defence system from a European country without transfer of technology, but the president rejected it.

"The summary has been rejected because Pakistan's adversary has MiG-25, MiG-29, SU-27 and SU-30 fighter planes which are capable of flying at an altitude of more than 25km," he added.

India has these aircraft since 2002 whereas the PAF has no effective weapon system to save major cities of the country and defence installations from any attack by such planes, the official said.

"Had the organisations engaged in developing nuclear-capable missiles indigenously been tasked with the development of a system to overcome this shortcoming, the country would have until now achieved the capability of hitting planes at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres," he remarked. "But no attention has been paid towards this aspect of the country's air defence capability."

The official said that Pakistan has radars that can detect aircraft flying at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres but the country still lacks a weapon system to hit such planes. He said the country needs to install at least one battery of an ultra-modern air defence system on four sides of major cities or military installations for security.

According to the official, one battery of such a defence system would comprise 16 vehicles, including two radar carriers, six missile launching vehicles and six support vehicles and thus each battery would cost $40-50 million.

A short-range air defence system can shoot down an enemy plane up to five kilometres and medium-range system is capable of hitting and attacking aircraft up to 25 kilometres while a high-range air defence system can hit an enemy plane at a distance of 90 kilometres, elaborated the official.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=5036
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Old 01-01-2007, 19:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"The summary has been rejected because Pakistan's adversary has MiG-25, MiG-29, SU-27 and SU-30 fighter planes which are capable of flying at an altitude of more than 25km," he added.

India has these aircraft since 2002 whereas the PAF has no effective weapon system to save major cities of the country and defence installations from any attack by such planes, the official said.
actually... since the 1980s....
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Old 01-01-2007, 22:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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actually... since the 1980s....
You mean the Foxbats?? Excellent for what they could do!! Sorry about the sonic Booms! Just passing through!

Doubt if they could carry any serious ordinance though - just recon right?
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Old 01-01-2007, 23:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Actually there are combat versions but India never ordered one of those. However the Foxbats we had were retired last year so i don't know why they are being mentioned here.
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Old 01-02-2007, 01:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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"The summary has been rejected because Pakistan's adversary has MiG-25, MiG-29, SU-27 and SU-30 fighter planes which are capable of flying at an altitude of more than 25km," he added.
From Neo's quote what do you suppose these are? They played a crucial role, which is why Pakistan is rethinking the Air Defense role. What am I missing here?
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Old 01-02-2007, 01:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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...What am I missing here?
Common sense? None of those AC can fly above 25km for starters, and the only one that even comes close, the MiG-25, is retired from IAF service.

The article is a waste of ones and zeros.

Sorry Neo.
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:05 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Common sense? None of those AC can fly above 25km for starters, and the only one that even comes close, the MiG-25, is retired from IAF service.

The article is a waste of ones and zeros.

Sorry Neo.
believe it or not, this is still less erroneous than some of the other Pakistani articles on what they are about to purchase. But as for Pakistan getting newer SAMs, that's believable.
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"A European country" sounds vague.

Btw, what could be the Chinese/Euro options? If they are deploying them on major cities, I'd like if they select something that can double as some sort of ABM as well.
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Common sense? None of those AC can fly above 25km for starters, and the only one that even comes close, the MiG-25, is retired from IAF service.

The article is a waste of ones and zeros.

Sorry Neo.
I know Sir,

The author is probably not a defence specialist nor am I.
But we're going for latest SAM's and preferably with full ToT.
Thats all I care about.
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http://www.army-technology.com/projects/spada/

This is the "European system" Pak is looking at.

As regards full TOT, forget it- Pak doesnt have the infra to build the radars for instance.

But it could build many portions of the missile, including its airframe and motors. And do depot level work/ assemble it.
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Old 01-02-2007, 06:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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This is what is on offer from China, for the PAF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNSZ8mvF-PM

The KS-1A

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_fo...0109_4_n.shtml

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The number one reason its completely hard to say since none of them have built up their armies to fight anyone and everyone. It's enemy specific.

Even the UAE has much better planes... But these are scenarios that are never happening.
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Old 01-02-2007, 20:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Common sense? None of those AC can fly above 25km for starters, and the only one that even comes close, the MiG-25, is retired from IAF service.

The article is a waste of ones and zeros.

Sorry Neo.
IAF MiG-25's went up to 90 K feet, ~ 27 KM
Standard missions were iirc at 70 K feet ~ 21 Km

But the MiG-25 is retired, and dont think the SPADA-2000 manages that height. The KS-1A is said to reach upto 27 Km.

Perhaps the author mistook slant range (SPADA) for interception height.

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"The official said that Pakistan has radars that can detect aircraft flying at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres but the country still lacks a weapon system to hit such planes. He said the country needs to install at least one battery of an ultra-modern air defence system on four sides of major cities or military installations for security."

Who operates 25- 29 Km op ceiling aircraft in the region and against Pak?

Highsea is correct, the article is pretty confused.
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