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Old 12-01-2006, 08:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Indian Armies through the ages

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I have written an essay to investigate how Indian armies defended India in middle ages against the various invasions that were tried.

http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Raj...sions_of_India

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It's historic political essay than a military essay.
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Old 12-01-2006, 13:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's historic political essay than a military essay.
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In India for the continuum of 1000 years there were wars every month practically. I have tried to capture a very brief fragment of these wars.

This was quite unlike other parts of the world where a few major battles decided the outcome completely as in Iran for eaxmple.

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Old 12-01-2006, 16:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ridiculous, while I'm not arguing with the accuracy of your blog, the title is very misleading.
You are just talking about a very small region in the north west of India, against very selective intruders, while there were 100 or more kings in the sub-continent at that time who fought their own internal wars and you failed to account them.
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Ridiculous, while I'm not arguing with the accuracy of your blog, the title is very misleading.
You are just talking about a very small region in the north west of India, against very selective intruders, while there were 100 or more kings in the sub-continent at that time who fought their own internal wars and you failed to account them.
He has not accounted for the Indian south or north-east, that is true. But its still a worthy effort.
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Old 12-01-2006, 23:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ridiculous, while I'm not arguing with the accuracy of your blog, the title is very misleading.
You are just talking about a very small region in the north west of India, against very selective intruders, while there were 100 or more kings in the sub-continent at that time who fought their own internal wars and you failed to account them.
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What is ridiculous here? I have written about a people not only in north and north west but central India too. And as I said in response to scotch taster, this represents a very small set of people who raised armies to defend the country.

Have you read Hunter's quote? He decribes India pretty accurately and that is exactly how it happened, i.e throughout India, north/south/east/west there were kings who organized themselves to fight the invasions.

Southern India was relatively shileded by invaders precisely because of these people who took up arms in north and northwest.

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He has not accounted for the Indian south or north-east, that is true. But its still a worthy effort.
Thanks Archer. This is still Work in progress and I do plan to include people from all over India.

Would you and others like to help in this endeavour?

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Thanks Archer. This is still Work in progress and I do plan to include people from all over India.

Would you and others like to help in this endeavour?

-Digvijay

Sure, but time constraints and work would not allow me to do a good job. Perhaps later?

Anyways, good effort!
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I have written an essay to investigate how Indian armies defended India in middle ages against the various invasions that were tried.

http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Raj...sions_of_India

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It looks like a pamphlet of the RSS rather than a serious look at Indian Armies down the ages.Okay most of the muslim rulers were evil and fanatic despots but vilifying each and every one of them including Akbar and representing it as a Hindus versus Muslims struggle does not reflect the wonder that is India.
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It looks like a pamphlet of the RSS rather than a serious look at Indian Armies down the ages.Okay most of the muslim rulers were evil and fanatic despots but vilifying each and every one of them including Akbar and representing it as a Hindus versus Muslims struggle does not reflect the wonder that is India.
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What is it that you find incorrect about Akbar? And can you explain why it was not a religious struggle? Though our marxist historians have been trying there best to have us believe otherwise.

I will give you an analogy: Harimandir Sahab was filled with dead cow caracass multiple times. So how would you categorise the Sikh fight for survival?

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digvijay,
I do agree with what Jasjit is saying, although I do applaud you for the dedication you have put into this; you have constantly shown a Hindu vs. Islam war. In reality, the war was fought against the Sultanate (primarily during Aurengzeb) who forcefully tried to convert India's population to Islam by the sword. However, Aurangzeb's own grandfather, i.e. Akbar, was a liberal king. He was a secular monarch, so the credit must be given where it belongs. Yes, Islamic rulers have commited some of the world's largest massacres and atrocities in India but lest I remind you that even during the struggle against the Sultanate, there were many Muslims who were actually helping the Sikh armies against the Mughals. Even Guru Nanak's lifelong friend and accomplice was a Muslim.
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I do agree with what Jasjit is saying, although I do applaud you for the dedication you have put into this; you have constantly shown a Hindu vs. Islam war. In reality, the war was fought against the Sultanate (primarily during Aurengzeb) who forcefully tried to convert India's population to Islam by the sword. However, Aurangzeb's own grandfather, i.e. Akbar, was a liberal king. He was a secular monarch, so the credit must be given where it belongs. Yes, Islamic rulers have commited some of the world's largest massacres and atrocities in India but lest I remind you that even during the struggle against the Sultanate, there were many Muslims who were actually helping the Sikh armies against the Mughals. Even Guru Nanak's lifelong friend and accomplice was a Muslim.
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Jasjit is wrong. Akbar killed 30,000 (yes 30 thousand) unarmed civilians after the siege of chittor becuase they refused to convert. Our marxist historians have left no stone unturned in portraying these rulers as benevolent when the truth is quite opposite.

And do not take a few instances of help etc to signify a rule.

Are you a sikh?

-Digvijay

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Jasjit is wrong. Akbar killed 30,000 (yes 30 thousand) unarmed civilians after the siege of chittor becuase they refused to convert. Our marxist historians have left no stone unturned in portraying these rulers as benevolent when the truth is quite opposite.
Ok, I have no knowledge at all about that.

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No, not at all, I'm not signifying the rule, I'm just saying that there were many Muslims along the way who fought on our side against the Sultanate, we shouldn't forget them.

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Tronic,
Jasjit is wrong. Akbar killed 30,000 (yes 30 thousand) unarmed civilians after the siege of chittor becuase they refused to convert. Our marxist historians have left no stone unturned in portraying these rulers as benevolent when the truth is quite opposite.

And do not take a few instances of help etc to signify a rule.

Are you a sikh?

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Yes Akbar's troops did kill 30000 people in the siege of Chittor , but not because he wanted to convert them to muslims but because he was frustrated by the heroic resistance of the defenders of Chittor. If he wanted to convert hindus into muslims he would not have started his own religion Din i Ilahi.Yes that was one blot on Akbar's career, but that does not undo the many good things that he did.

You asked Tronic whether he is a sikh. That reflects your mentality, you did'nt ask whether he was an Indian or not you asked him about his religion.

The Indian army is not a hindu army or a sikh army or a muslim army. It is an army which is totally secular, non political and highly professional. It is in institution that every Indian is proud of. Let us not distort it's history and traditions by dividing it on the basis of religion.

If you start thinking in terms of religion then you lend justification to Jinnah who claimed that muslims would never be safe in a hindu dominated country and needed a separate country for themselves. You would also justify the minority of jehadis in Kashmir who want to separate from India just because it is muslim dominated state.

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You asked Tronic whether he is a sikh. That reflects your mentality, you did'nt ask whether he was an Indian or not you asked him about his religion.
Its ok bro, He already knows I'm an Indian.

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If you start thinking in terms of religion then you lend justification to Jinnah who claimed that muslims would never be safe in a hindu dominated country and needed a separate country for themselves. You would also justify the minority of jehadis in Kashmir who want to separate from Kasmir just because it is muslim dominated state.
Totally agree...
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