Jay

Russia denies selling tanks to Pakistan

By Vladimir Radyuhin

MOSCOW, JULY 13. Russia has no plans to supply T-90S tanks or any other weapons to Pakistan, as falsely reported at the weekend, a Government arms exporter said.

The press service of Rosoboronexport, Russia's state-owned arms export monopoly, denied media reports that a contract for the supply of T-90S Main Battle Tanks to Pakistan had been signed on the sidelines of `UralArmsExpo' fair in Nizhny Tagil in the Urals.

``We unequivocally reject the very idea of any such contracts between Russian defence industries and Pakistani authorities,'' a Rosoboronexport spokesman told The Hindu . ``As a matter of fact, Russia has no military-technical cooperation with Pakistan and Rosoboronexport strictly abides by this clear-cut policy of the Russian leadership.''

Rosoboronexport controls 95 per cent of Russian defence exports, including all supplies of tanks.

http://www.hindu.com/2004/07/14/stor...1405471200.htm

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Lunatock

The Pakistani's would be the first to tell you they invented and build thier own tank, the Al-Khalid. And don't need to buy T-90's from Russia.

Jay

http://www.pakistanlink.com/headlines/July04/13/08.html

http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/11tank.htm


Russian news agencies reported that Pakistan would receive a large batch of modern T-90S battle tanks. A short time ago, Uralvagonzavod supplied 300 such tanks to India — Pakistan’s main rival in the Hindustan region.
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2004/07/12/pakitank.shtml

Ray

They have a tank called Al Khalid. Invented? Maybe not. Producing? Yes. requirement to be proud? I reckon that much must be conceded. Al Khalid may not be as good as T 90 but then at least they are moving forward.

As an Indian, I should crib, but then, as a sub continental bloke, I sure woud like the Pakistan industry goes full stream. I believe that if a country developes confidence and faith in itself, then that is the best for security of the region and the world.

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Blademaster

Sorry but Al Khalid is inferior to the modern MBTs including Arjun. It is nothing but an upgraded T-55 chassis with a more modern turret but limited.

The T-55 chasis can only do that much and not more.

Asim Aquil

T-90S.... hmmm At first I thought they'd resume Uralzongonza (something like that) MBT project that couldn't find any funding wiht Pakistan... T-90S is not a significant gain. T-90S comes close, but on the Sub-continental Terrain, AK would take it down. Plus India already has T-90S. Makes no sense!

Arjun? It's not scrapped yet? Naah I think that's a failed tank. India should try to pump some $$ into Uralwhatever MBT and get it moving. That project has been dormant for about 10 yrs now. It's wasted enough money on the Arjun. Or it's got some breathing space with the T-90S, and try to wrap up the LCA, critics are fearing an Arjun like fate for it too.

India's Mirage 2000-5 purchases should help the LCA. It's a similar aircraft.

Btw, Kasuri said something like, our defence deals were not about tanks, but he said I'm not ruling out any defence deals. Pretty weird **** happening out there. Today Sweden agrees to sell us Awacs, before denying defence deals. Defence deals are a pain in the ass.

Jay

And, who said that Arjun is scrapped? Arjun is in serial production like Type 90!

Jay

And how's that? All the cooling and engine performance problems were sorted out a long time back!

Asim Aquil

Simple, its a similar capability machine. We can make it cheaper if done ourselves. It's not like buying a Merkava.

Plus the Pakistan Army is quite capable. It's the PAF that has been crippled through sanctions. We can buy 10,000 Merkava's but if not supported by a good AF, it'd be easy pickings for the IAF.

Ukraine's pumping in tanks, China's helped modify HIT for Zarrar and AK's serial production. It just makes no sense to go for something like a T-90S.

I thought it'd be the Uralthing.... Which even 10yrs later, looks pretty darn nice.... on paper that is.

s_qwert63

Whats the reason?

Asim Aquil

news from two hours ago: More delays in Arjun's production and only 5 have been produced when the order was placed 4 yrs ago.

http://www.123bharath.com/india-news...llnews&id=2367

This Software Engineer, who btw is from India, once told me, that one of the biggest test I could face as a project manager would be the ability to get up and pull the entire Project back to the drawing board at advanced stages. Usually we look very deep, before moving on to the first prototype. It gets very hard once we have a solution's prototype on our hands. Stubborness can kick in and valuable resources start to get wasted.

Diving Falcon

Sorry, the MBT-2000 is NOT an upgraded T-55 chassis, that is infact the Al Zarrar Tank, which is from a T-59. Actually, the MBT-2000 is based on the Chinese T-90, which was meant to initially counter the T-72, but, Pakistan took the chassis and upgraded to go up against Arjun and T-90S.

Though I don't know whether it's superior to Arjun and T-90S, but I'm pretty sure that it could take them on in battle, and possibly win.

Another thing one must not forget is that, the Al Khalid is low cost, and the Pakistan Army can and will buy it in fairly large numbers, enough to scare the Indian Army, ofcourse, they were scared after Pakistan bought 320 T-80UD tanks.

As for Arjun, whats with only hundred something ordered?

Ray

Indian Army is not worried about hardware acquisition by the Pak Armed Forces.

The 1965 War clerly indicates that even when Pakistan had far superior tanks than the Indian Army i.e. the Patton, it left behind 'tank graves' strewn around. It is the man behind the machine that actually matters.

Officer of Engineers

Really!

You want to explain your expertise to a fellow Canadian? A Canadian with the Queen's Commission I might add.

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Ironduke

I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians sold Pakistan stuff through their Ukrainian subsidiaries.