Officer of Engineers

Sir,

A phenomenon unique to democrazies. There has been always a home built enemy 5th collumn in every war democrazies had fought. Possibly due to the fact that dictatorships works hard to kill their internal enemies. American, British, Canadian, and Australian citizens have fought for Al Qeida and Taliban.

Whether these 5th columns would make any difference is open to debate but to deny their existence is a rookie mistake,

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Ray

Yes, fifth columnists are a great danger. Yet.......

In 1962 we had a powerful Communist Party of India. Many of the people suported them. However, when they supported the Chinese attack, the Communists were roundly thrashed physically and not peep was heard from them. They no longer till today talk with the pride and boast they used to trumpet about the Soviet Union and China. In fact, at times before 1962, one wondered where their loyalties lie! Even today, they are still suspects. Of course, they have won quite a few seats this election, but they had an understanding with the Congress, which has come to power.

It is because of the Communists that there is some confusion in what should be India's line towards Iraq and the US. The last govt composed of the NDA and the right wing "Hindu' party BJP and socialists were for the US short of sending troops. Max defence cooperation was on at that time.

Still. who knows which disloyal element creeps out of the woodwork!

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Jay

Remember Kargil ?? The whole nation rallied behind then PM Vajpayee, no questions asked, no answers given. Majority of the populace wanted to wage a full scale war with Pakistan and put the menance to the end. But the so called "right wing hindu" BJP party gave in for world pressure and fought for a diplomatic war which it won.

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raja khan

in case of a war between usa and india pakistan would never give its land to us troops because it knows that it will be the next target.

And the reason for british sucess in india was ist well discplined indian soldiers fighting against rag tag armies of small princes.But the superiority of us is such that india cannot withstand it with its old fashioned equvipment.

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scimitar

Can US defeat India? Hell yeah!

Ray

Not in the near future.

The US has too many terrorist breeding countries at hand to sort out, rather than sort out some democracy.

sam0001

Realistically speaking, if a situation such as this arises, then the US could easily in 2-3 months win over the air and navy and take out army targets, but when a ground offensive starts its just not possible to win. India is vast and there are 160 mil people fit to join the military. Numbers dont match. Either US has to nuc whole country, in which case there is a chance to win, provided india does not respond with same action and India is a country of a billion people. On the humourous side, hey, if they just all pee can take out a few regiments at the same time with no guns.

And someone said, about India not having ICBMs. How do you know they dont? India has the ability to build cryogenic engines and re-entry vehicles. It can easily be coverted to a ICBM, may be testing is pending. Who knows?

Only country that US cannot win a war against is Russia. US can win a conventional war with heavy casualties, but if it gets nuclear the whole world will burn and humans will perish. No one wins. Everyone loses. There are about 20,000 + nucs between those two countries. Which is enough to leave only roaches likes to roam the earth.

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Anon

The Indian military would for all intents and purposes be effectively destroyed by the combined weight of the US Military in a matter of months(Assuming a six month buildup of US forces in the Indian Ocean).

The IAF and IN much faster(probably six weeks, tops and both forces would be capable of no more than local defenseive actions. Most of the IN and IAF would fall in the first shots of the war to standoff USN cruisemissile strikes. If the US were serious about it, they could launch an initial salvo of over 3,000 cruise missiles using CALCM, TLAM, TACTOM, and SLAMER).

The US does not need any bases, India has coastline....vast amounts of it, and is extremely vulnerable to a US Amphibious invasion. All of it could be threatened by a handful of MEFs. Only a very small % of it could actually be defended, it would be almost impossible to even monitor all of it at all times.

The USMC would have the luxury of striking on it's own timetable at a location(s) of it's choosing, with utterly massive air and naval fire support. For such an operation no less than 7 US Carriers would be commited, without a doubt.

The USMC's initial objective would be to sieze airfields, and major road and rail junctions in the immediate region of the beach/airhead.
The US Army also has almost 2 full divisions of paratroopers(and the transports to actually embark them all at once) that could mount an airborne assault en masse in support of USMC operations, or independently at numerous key locations in Bde strength. These zones could be separated by as little as 1km, or as many as 3,000 Km.

The US alone has that kind of flexibility.

Once inland airfields are secured, USAF tactical aircraft can move in with US Army light/motor forces, and then an airbridge is established.

Once a port is siezed(which would no doubt be a primary target for any USMC invasion- probably several ports), entire US Army heavy divisions can be moved directly into India from sea, along with the 101st Airborne Division.

Facing the kind of massive interdiction capability the US Military possesses, the Indian Army would have extreme difficulty moving any sizable force as a coherent unit, or massing any such unit in a force suitable to counter-attack with sufficient momentum to stop an all-out USMC invasion.

The size of India works AGAINST it in a war with the US, not for it. The Indian army cannot hope to match the mobility of the US Military, and that would put them in an unwinnable position. The US can envelop you in so many ways that it's got to make an opposing general's head spin just thinking about it.

Remember, the question here is can the US invade, and defeat....not invade, and occupy. Once the Indian Army is smashed, the US forces can withdraw back to the siezed ports and airbases and leave. Then you could worry about Pakistan occupying you.

Of course, the real question is, would india nuke it's own soil to stop a US invasion. Cause that is the only thing they could realisticly do to stop one.

Anon

Actually, India could launch a pre-emptive strike on the US fleet at sea BEFORE the US attacked, which is probably what i would try to do.

No doubt the IN/IAF would inflict damage, perhaps heavy damage...on the US Fleet. Unfortunately for India, it would probably cost them both forces in their majority in one decisive fight, and then they'd be almost naked for the rest of the war.

Ray

Too hypothetical.

I don't think I will live till this fateful day.

Guy831028

I think that when it comes to warfare right now, no non European country even has anything worthwhile to stand up to America.
But by around 2050 however, India and China will have a GDP of something like
50 trillion dollars, closely trailing America. Only then will these countries even begin to stand a chance.

Praxus

If this is the case then China, India, and the US are gonna all be close buddies.

Ray

Praxus,

Without all that, with the last govt which was labelled as 'Hindu' govt (which was not true), US and India were real close buddies!

xxxxx

where the hell did you get your information from, that India can bomb only a single US city??? I highly doubt that!!!

ajaybhutani

its true that india curretly dsnt have any ICBM running or even an ICBM test.
But it has made a lot of PSLV's and GSLV's .What all its lacks to convert these into ICBM's is the guidance systems.Even teh americans believe that indians can do that in 6b months to 1 year.
Furthermore there are projects called Surya and some submarine launched balilstic missile goning secretly.And the govts cant test them bec they dont want american enmity.
Obviously the american attack wont be a surprise .The relations shall need to detariorate a lot and then as relations detariorate the indians should test their iCBM's to keep the americans under check .. assuming that indians start feeling America as a threat about a year before Us attacks i guess indians can make them capable to attack american cities.. LOL..