vishv29

hello everybody,
firstly let me tell you that i m from india(pune) and not from pak.
but i and offcourse all of us indians have to accept some ground realities.
on the paper india looks 10 times stronger than pakistan. but by 2006 the situation may change becoz of following reasons:

1)usa has made pakistan MNNA due to which pak will get a high-tech weapons like f-16-block52/60(superior to mki's),f-15c-d,p3c orions,awacs (maybe e3c's),pac3 and a multibillion aid packeges.
(NOTE: INDIA'S SUKHOI-30 MKI's ARE STILL GROUNDED DUE TO RAPID ENGINE FAILURE PROBLEMS)

2)we may again see the cancellation of our phalcon deal with isreal if pak urges usa to do that.

3)economy of pak may boom becoz of oil reserve founded in baluchistan.

this is what i think.it may be wrong but if anyone can correct it plz welcome.

visioninthedark

and I am from Pakistan ....

and I believe that this thread is an intentional attempt by an Indian like yourself to raise a flame-war on this forum against Pakistan ...

the MNNA status won't change anything ... we can't trust the US ....

I believe we should settle our differences peacefully with India ... since the other option means the elimination of nearly 1.5 billion people from the face of the earth ... which is unthinkable ...

India must realise we are an FREE, INDEPENDENT, SOVERIGN EQUAL, neighbouring state with whom they are stuck with ... as are we stuck with them ....

just settle our differences and live and let live ...


peace ...

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visv29, What kind of pot you smoking? It must be so good to make you that delusional.

Confed999

...and we can't really trust Pakistan.

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vishv29

according to pantegon pak f-16's and mirages are more capable of striking deep into indian space than indian migs and sukhois.

Jay

yep, copious amount of Hashish will do wonders like this!!

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visioninthedark

why ... we have always fought with the US whenever we were needed against a common opponent ... remember communism ... ????

BUT

the US has always abandoned us when we were in shittt !!!

Aryan

2006 is a little opimistic for my liking....but by 2010 we'll conquer you.

I think saying we can't trust America is a little harsh, but come on, after our F-16...the fighter jet market is competitive, i think Pakistan needs to focus on a compromise between compromise and capability.

I don't blame America for what happened though, the republicans were the guys who wanted to sell us the jets, it was only until the evil democrats aka "great satan" came to power they cancelled it. Fingers crossed for this years elections...

flanker27

And I am from Honolulu and not from India

why not get F-22s from the US ?

What exactly the MNNA status means in real terms is well understood. Pakistan was previously a member of CENTO and SEATO but it didnt mean anything. Pakistan managed to get only soyabeans from the US instead of F-16s and it could be the same story in future.

Su-30 recently took place part in military excercies with the USAF and proved that there is no problems with it anymore, the problem was solved. Also, the problem was only with the older Su-30Ks and not the MKIs. Try reading some newspapers.

The deal is already inked and Pakistan does not have that kind of influence on the US to stop the Phalcon deal.

Aryan

Hey, we know you are Indian, no need to be ashamed...

In a way I agree with what you say. I doubt the MNNA will lead to major defence procurement. We don't really require military surplus as much as we need a stronger airforce, that's our number one concern. The most we'll get from this MNNA deal is a couple of second hand F-16s and that won't fulfil our requirements. Its more of a diplomatic thing, a slap on the face of India (albeit unintentional).

But don't think a few sukhois and a phalcon will change much, it certainly won't change 3,000 years of supremacy

flanker27

Of course, every word in my post says that Indian and I am not ashamed. But there are some Pakistanis who pretend to be Indians, they are the ones who are actually ashamed

MMNA status was also offered to India, but India asked US to keep it. USA gives useless diplomatic status and soyabeans to Pakistan while at the same time it gives cutting edge military hardware like Phalcons ect to india. Now who actually got a slap on it's face ?

The following picture will refresh your memory about the 3000 years of supremacy ....

http://www.storyofpakistan.com/images/p0905030301.jpg

It's the picture of Pakistani Army general surrendering to the Indian Army in 1971. The 3000 years of supremacy was ended in just 14 days when Pakistan was broken into 2 pieces and 90,000+ pak troops were captured in Indian jails.

Try to live in the present and not in History.

Ray

The way the arguments are proceeding I would not be surprised if somone came up with this which has no relevance to the topic:

"And I am Dr Khan of Pakistan who sold the nuke secrets to Iran and Libya and heaven knows who else and I have a hotel in Timbuctoo (actually!) and a bulging Swiss account"

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Jay

pfff...3000 years ?? eh when did Muhammed born? 4000 years back?? so who is supreme here? Nazi's or Iranis or Afghanis or Punjabis or Rajputs or Maurya's or Guptas ??

tsk tsk...the K- in paKistan, Kashmir is with India for 50 or so years, just broke your nation in to two in 1971, arrested 90,000 of those supreme soldiers, and killed 4000 of your own soldiers just 5 years back. Want more?? How about Sindhu-stan or Balochi-stan??

Jay

Timbuctoo was classic So Mr.Khan is gonna retire there in Timuctoo now after official pardon??

Jay

so now what an Aryan is ashamed of his nationality? Its like countless # of Pakistanis here who say they are Indians nothing new...

So far Pakistan received none, other than the Soya beans. Can you tell me how a F-16 52/60 is superior to MKI. Do you even know what role F-16 performs and what role does MKI has in IAF?

You forgot the Starships!!

Wrong MKI's were never grounded, its Su-30's.

Then India will make USA cancel the MNNA status to Pakistan. Prove me wrong!

So we'll see more killings and bombings in Balochistan then, much like Sui. And how much money are you gonna give to the village elders there to get the oil out??
Sorry to say, all of your rantings are wrong. And next time instead of calling yourself Indian do your countrymen a favor, call u'rself a pure aryan.