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Old 10-07-2005, 19:57 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I know that Pakistan is currently behind India but, then we havn't set a benchmark for any nation yet. 65% of India's population lives on less than $2 a day. 30% of our population doesn't have access to proper medical system. 15% don't have clean drinking water. 35% people still can't read & write. Our cities donot have proper roads. Several of our villages are still without electricity.

Please refrain from making boistorous remarks and trying to show Pakistan down.
I realize that you guys are senior to me & I am not the best person to advice you. but, this **** bashing is not going to make India any better. Only thing it would cause is embaressment for our Pakistani friends on this forum.

There is so much to change. Let do it first. After that we wouldn't need to tell anybody what we have done. World will acknowledge that we are better.

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Old 10-08-2005, 12:04 PM   #122 (permalink)
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I know that Pakistan is currently behind India but, then we havn't set a benchmark for any nation yet. 65% of India's population lives on less than $2 a day. 30% of our population doesn't have access to proper medical system. 15% don't have clean drinking water. 35% people still can't read & write. Our cities donot have proper roads. Several of our villages are still without electricity.

Please refrain from making boistorous remarks and trying to show Pakistan down.
I realize that you guys are senior to me & I am not the best person to advice you. but, this **** bashing is not going to make India any better. Only thing it would cause is embaressment for our Pakistani friends on this forum.

There is so much to change. Let do it first. After that we wouldn't need to tell anybody what we have done. World will acknowledge that we are better.

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Great thoughts AB!
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Old 10-08-2005, 13:11 PM   #123 (permalink)
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I know that Pakistan is currently behind India but, then we havn't set a benchmark for any nation yet. 65% of India's population lives on less than $2 a day. 30% of our population doesn't have access to proper medical system. 15% don't have clean drinking water. 35% people still can't read & write. Our cities donot have proper roads. Several of our villages are still without electricity.

Please refrain from making boistorous remarks and trying to show Pakistan down.
I realize that you guys are senior to me & I am not the best person to advice you. but, this **** bashing is not going to make India any better. Only thing it would cause is embaressment for our Pakistani friends on this forum.

There is so much to change. Let do it first. After that we wouldn't need to tell anybody what we have done. World will acknowledge that we are better.

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yes we have our problems but the fact that we are improving on our grey areas speaks a lot, not like our neighbours who seem to be going down the ladder.
And BTW i never considered pakistanis my friends, at best they are people whom i know through this great board and thats it
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Old 10-08-2005, 13:23 PM   #124 (permalink)
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It is unlikely that Pakistan will hold superiority over India anytime soon. I'm sure I don't need to go through all the reasons, as they have probably been enumerated at length here.
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Old 10-08-2005, 13:25 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Its not a function of India being poor but the thread title and Aryan i one of his famed posts said "by 2010" we will dominate.

Pakistan cannot compete with India because India ismuch bigger and has had strong gdp growth for the last 2 decades, Pakistan has had strong growth for 1 year.

We are not comparing India to the US here where % of pop under 2$ a day comes into play and bw adjusted to PPP that figure goes down to 37% down by 20% over the last 15 years.

this is a dumb thread.

the issue is size. India has to abide by its 2.5% of gdp law towards defence spending plus another 15 billion in reserves for aquisitions etc, indian gdp in 2 years will be beyound 1 trillion in real terms, do the math.
Pakistan only spends 4B in defence spending and this consumes most of its budget. This is what I am saying, its not even a function of economics, because we do not need to complicate things more than this.

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Old 10-08-2005, 14:46 PM   #126 (permalink)
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India Halved poverty levels in a decade, is that not proof enough we are growing exponentionally in many fields...heck i remember when our literacy was under 50% now it is around 70%.....that means we have almost 700,000 million educated or semi-educated people in India...
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Old 10-08-2005, 18:49 PM   #127 (permalink)
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yes we have our problems but the fact that we are improving on our grey areas speaks a lot, not like our neighbours who seem to be going down the ladder.
I agree with you that poverty has reduced but, I still look at people who are impoverished. It is 65% of the population. This is what I look at. We cannot blind ourselves to the fact that 700 mln people still live on less than $2 a day. There are so many people who cannot send their children to schools. How can we say that we are better than anybody, when we have so much still to do? If we start looking at what we have achieved we lose focus on what we have yet to do.

I do not agree with you that Pakistan is going down and I definately don't want it to go down. I do not want my country to share its neighborhood with some Mexico. I want a Canada in my neighborhood. Pakistan is doing alright & we shouldn't be critical about it. Afterall, there are so many people on both sides of the border who are trying hard for betterment of their family & provide a quality future for their children.

I do not belong to the generation of 1971. My Dad & my GrandDad can live in that. For once I see a window of oppurtunity provided by moderates from both the sides. Its time to stop living in the past & look at the future. No matter how hard we try we still have to live with eachother. This is our fate & it cannot be changed.
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Old 10-09-2005, 10:14 AM   #128 (permalink)
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I agree with you that poverty has reduced but, I still look at people who are impoverished. It is 65% of the population. This is what I look at. We cannot blind ourselves to the fact that 700 mln people still live on less than $2 a day. There are so many people who cannot send their children to schools. How can we say that we are better than anybody, when we have so much still to do? If we start looking at what we have achieved we lose focus on what we have yet to do.

I do not agree with you that Pakistan is going down and I definately don't want it to go down. I do not want my country to share its neighborhood with some Mexico. I want a Canada in my neighborhood. Pakistan is doing alright & we shouldn't be critical about it. Afterall, there are so many people on both sides of the border who are trying hard for betterment of their family & provide a quality future for their children.

I do not belong to the generation of 1971. My Dad & my GrandDad can live in that. For once I see a window of oppurtunity provided by moderates from both the sides. Its time to stop living in the past & look at the future. No matter how hard we try we still have to live with eachother. This is our fate & it cannot be changed.
i am not sure where u got the 65% figure, but i can tell u one thing "we are heading in the right direction and god has taken care that we get correct politicians at the top most positions of the country, and god willing we will be the next economical super power. To prove this my own story would be a good example. My dad used to work as a worker in a PSU and right now i am in USA working a software pro, this i could acheive only through education. and as u know we INDIANs respect educated persons, and i think this is the only thing thats going to take us to the top.
let me say u one thing before i end this post " Rome was not built in a day"
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Old 10-09-2005, 11:03 AM   #129 (permalink)
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I agree with you that poverty has reduced but, I still look at people who are impoverished. It is 65% of the population.
Please backup that statement of yours.
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Old 10-09-2005, 15:49 PM   #130 (permalink)
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pfff...3000 years ?? eh when did Muhammed born? 4000 years back?? so who is supreme here? Nazi's or Iranis or Afghanis or Punjabis or Rajputs or Maurya's or Guptas ??

tsk tsk...the K- in paKistan, Kashmir is with India for 50 or so years, just broke your nation in to two in 1971, arrested 90,000 of those supreme soldiers, and killed 4000 of your own soldiers just 5 years back. Want more?? How about Sindhu-stan or Balochi-stan??

AAhhhh...India got a good lesson after 1971, "tha Kargal "!!! Indian's millions army personal and equipment were fail to concored the Mujahideen. Thanks to PM Sharif and Pres.Carter ,India got rescude, by the way your Indra Gandi PM, was begging to Presi. Nixon and Chu-inlee for rescue at that time, Nixon said to Chinees PM ..look this lady bich, interfered in Pakistani personal prob and asking me for help. 1971, it was not a war ,it was cowerd act, but took a chance to take a revange from the back door(wounded in 1965 war). when two brother's had a problem. Why not try now.....you will learn the price. History and current facts no body can deny it. so dont be immature. wakeup kido.
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Old 10-09-2005, 16:16 PM   #131 (permalink)
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If ganguly continues to remain the captain of Indian cricket team , Pakista cricket team will sure dominate India by 2006
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Old 10-09-2005, 18:08 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Ya I think that they dominated in 2004 as well mate, forget 06.
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Old 10-09-2005, 18:14 PM   #133 (permalink)
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lmao Kargal is such a joker, i think he is fresh out the madrassah and their excellent history lessons....lets not forget 10:1 Soldier Equation....[honestly bro, thnx for the good laff i needed it]

anyways according to CIA factbook only 25% are under the poverty line [2002], around 15-20% now and according to the latest report by 2015 only 5% will be under...now please use facts and not imaginary numbers.

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Old 10-09-2005, 18:18 PM   #134 (permalink)
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AAhhhh...India got a good lesson after 1971, "tha Kargal "!!! Indian's millions army personal and equipment were fail to concored the Mujahideen.
thats why ur brave mujahideen ran back to pureland,holding their tail between their legs
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Thanks to PM Sharif and Pres.Carter ,India got rescude, by the way your Indra Gandi PM, was begging to Presi. Nixon and Chu-inlee for rescue at that time, Nixon said to Chinees PM ..look this lady bich, interfered in Pakistani personal prob and asking me for help. 1971, it was not a war ,it was cowerd act, but took a chance to take a revange from the back door(wounded in 1965 war).
who said u won in 1961, oh may be ur madrassa books may have said that, but what ever ur books say its not the truth.
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even USA acknowledges that pakistani army cannot stand INDIAN army in a blownout war for more than 72 hours, so whats the use in bragging kid

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Old 10-09-2005, 19:52 PM   #135 (permalink)
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I see Pakistanis cosntantly claimign that Kargil was a victory for Pakistan...but they have never explained to me why their entire NLI was wiped out, why India was forced to bury all their dead, and why the Indian economy boomed after 1999 and the Pakistani economy crashed if the war was such a victory for Pakistan. As for 1971...Pakistans 10:1 equation kind of backfired. By their logic, 1 Indian Soldier = 100 Pakistani soldier(i dont know if i should call them soldiers or terrorists....since the Pakistani goverment was referring to its NLI guys as Mujahideens/terrorists back in 1999)...
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