Ray

Jay,

The Indian Army did not arrest the Pakistani soldiers in East Pakistan. They surrendered! In short, they put their hands up with their weapons at the feet!
Not one ot two, but 90,000 of them. This is a world record of sorts! Interestingly, they preferred to be in the safe hands of the Kaffir Hindus of the Indian Army than being lynched by the Bengali Muslims, whose wives and daughters they raped.

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Jay

Sorry Sir, for giving them more credit than they deserve

do we really need to reply to this troll's rantings anymore ??

vishv29

So far Pakistan received none, other than the Soya beans. Can you tell me how a F-16 52/60 is superior to MKI. Do you even know what role F-16 performs and what role does MKI has in IAF?



F-16 block52 or 60 has an aesa radar which in todays date most advavced radar in the world.whereas mki's use N011h radars which r good but not as good as aesa.

Aryan

I dunno where you baboons pull that 90,000 figure from, since only 45,000 Pak soldiers were stationed in east Pak at any one time...As for the bhunges, well **** them, they can feed themselves rice and fish without us.

Ray

Apart from history, the Hamdoor Commission Report of Pakistan that was set up to probe the debacle of Pakistan in 1971 is where I pulled it out, apart from the fact, I was there!

The Bengali Muslims are not the bhangis, read my post carefully and you will know who in particular!

Aryan

[quote]pfff...3000 years ?? eh when did Muhammed born? 4000 years back?? so who is supreme here? Nazi's or Iranis or Afghanis or Punjabis or Rajputs or Maurya's or Guptas ??


We, Pakistanis, whatever our ancestors called themselves in the past ruled over you people and treated you like slaves. Religion has nothing to do with it.

Erm, I'd prefer Khalistan, Tamilistan, Nagaland, Dalitistan, West Bengal joining with Bangladesh etc..

They are called Su-30MKI, the MKI is the Indian designation

lol, When MNNA was offered to Pakistan, India blew a massive diplomatic tantrum. It wasn't offered to India as far as I can recall, but even if it was, it was more of an afterthought than anything else. Of course now its just a case of sour grapes. Oh and the soyabean thing wasn't America, it was the great satan democrats.

Phalcons were not given to India by America, they were from Israel.

visioninthedark

who gives a hoot about when Mohammed was born ....

The land and people .... today known as Pakistan existed within approximately the same boundaries as an independent entity for 5000 years ...

about Aryans ... Iranis+Afghans+Pakistanis .... being aryan are definitely supreme to the dark-skinned small structured untouchables to our east .... who comprise 90% of India ...

we have a third of Kashmir .... you haven't been able to take that back for 56 years ...

about B'desh .... it was an insurrection where we were attacked from within and behind .... so NOT much credit goes to you ....

sindhu-istan .... Baloch_istan .... you're welcome to try .... but then don't blame us if we liberate Khalistan, Assam, Nagaland, Kashmir, and many other oppressed peoples in india by encouraging free expresion of ones identity ...

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Jay

Tell that to Gupta's, Maurya's, Kushans, Moghuls and the British. Independent, my foot!! so where did you go to school? eh?

Why dont you bring in all the central asian states and may be nazi Germany, Russia in to the loop. They are more pure than you guys. Isnt that the reason Iranis are thickest with Pakistanis?? or may be is that the reason Arabs are treating you like dirt?? what happened to the tall, fair army ?? So how many Mohajir's are there in Pakistan?? Particularly Mohajir's from UP, Bihar ??
And I didnt know how you infer that Afghanis + Iranis + Pakistanis = Aryan, so can you prove it biologically to me? Based on archealogists the Aryan's who came in through Khyber later on moved in to India in more #'s. I can prove that to you.
To me, Pakistan is a land of mutations, I think thats what you guys claimed a couple days back, Pakistan is a land of Diversity, so where does this pure bred theory fit it then??

Which is bigger in size? 1/3rd or 2/3rd?? Should ask Madrassas to teach some Math!
Dont whine like a kid! you lost it!! War is supposed to be fought that way, white skin aryan's didnt know that ? eh?

Ooooh, we are cho scared, isnt that what you are already doing?? Still cant pluck a hair from our legs !!! Already one down, 2 more to go!!

Aryan

Nazis aren't aryan, neither are russians, but yes turkic CA states are.

Iranians and Pakistanis have a very strong bond, though we both act in our own strategic interest, like when Pakistan supported the anti-iranian taleban in Afghanistan. it was in Pakistan's interest to have a pro-Pakistani government in Afghanistan, or the military deals Iran have made with India, Indians actually believe they will receive Iranian help in a war against Pakistan. Iranians see your kind the same way we do.

Arabs treat Pakistanis like dirt? This is coming from a guy whos race has essentially become the dirt race of the Arabian gulf! Arabs treat Indians like animals, literally. They are bought and sold on the markets, and many don't get wages. I'm not condoning it, I'm just pointing it out.

Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan are modern nation states and should not be confused with Aryan nationalism. But the people of all three are mainly Aryan, that is correct.

That was uncalled for, both me and visioninthedark could make vulgar comments about India.

Culturally, Pakistan is diverse. Race and culture are two different different things.

We left *******desh because we didn't need them.

We aren't really doing much, just the occasional donation delivered from ISI, most of these movements are strong enough to be sustained independently. Thats why we went through with the peace initiative. We will just stand around and let our economy and military develop, and wait until India undergoes an interal breakup, then we will invade and finish this "Bharatiya" wet dream once and for all.

Jay

Wrong, go see Vision's post in Image gallery! And yeah Aryans are there in western Russia.
http://www.aryanrace.net/
http://www.aryanunity.com/slavs.html
Yeah speculate it, didnt you hear Karzai's growl against Pakistan?

Wrong again, ask any Pakistani who returned from Gulf, expecially from UAE!!
Animals, you mrean the Pakistani boys that are used as camel jockeys ??

Aryan nationalism? pfff....first sustain Pakistan as a nation then lets talk about Aryan nationalism!
Apologies to you, but Vision is already over the board, so I dont give a damn to him!

Can you prove me that using genetics??Oh and yeah do give my wishes to the non-aryan mohajir from Delhi, Pervez Mushraff, your ruler!! An aryan nation with out an Aryan leader!! True Pakistan is diverse!!


Yep, this same attitude, we need some more of it!!

yep, self sustainable, may be tell that to dead ULFA's in Bhutan, or the huge arms cache we got in BD or may be the arrested NLFT's from Myanmar.
6 Cheif Commanders of Hizb got killed in last 6 months. Let the enunche Sayeed come out of Pakistan to Kashmir to fight for himself, he'll be sent to the same place.Or what happened to fat ass Mazood bhai? Are they Kashmir these days? Last I heard he was in Pakistan!

Oh we all know about your initiative! we've been through this a lot of times, everytime only the poverty % rises !!
1000 cuts has already broke your nation in to 2, wait for some more time, we are gonna see another 2 sovreign pure aryan nations !!
Wet dreams? the one I know involves a pure breed aryan who wet his sherwani, ran and begged to Bill Clinton to save an aryan army, too late 4000 of them were already killed then.

visioninthedark

a response to the above;

visioninthedark

which is bigger in size

India with a population of nearly 1.2 billion or Pakistan wth a population of 150 million .....

India with an army of nearly 2 million or Pakistan with 500,000 ....

and still you Indian couldn't take BACK the 1/3 of kashmir we liberated .... from an enemy nearly 10 times our size in numbers ...

we're working on the other 2/3'rd .... we already have 1/3'rd which your huge army is INCAPABLY of taking back for 56 years from a force that is 1/10 your size ...

visioninthedark

since you mentioned our Afghan aryan brothers .... here is a article from less than a week ago ... for your reading pleasure;

http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/may2004-.../main/main6.htm

A pleasing welcome in Kabul

By Nusrat Javeed

KABUL: Security and immigration personnel posted at Kabul international airport, it seems, do not anticipate "al-Qaeda types" boarding a PIA plane to Afghanistan. Along with 50-plus passengers, I landed there Monday afternoon. Not more than two desks were enough for a speedy check of visa and passports. Only one was in operation, though, and the queue was moving agonizingly slow.

A pleasant looking officer in late twenties "caught" me filling the disembarkation card and virtually took over the job of quickly finishing with it. Without consulting the passport, he declared someday of 1968 as my birthday and made me a "tourist" with "business" credentials.

Soon he came back with entry stamped on my passport. The profuse expression of gratitude in English, Darri, Pushtu and Urdu were responded with a polite grin and dropping of the word, "Shirini (sweats)". Discreet passing of a Rs 500 (Pakistani) note acknowledged the hint. The same amount accelerated the luggage check and passing through "nothing to declare", green channel.

Almost a swarm of yellow cabs was waiting outside to fiercely compete with each other in offering the bargain ride to downtown and recommending a "very nice and newly constructed room with attached bath in a very safe and comfortable area". Selecting one was surely a hassle.

But this "welcome to Kabul" was far more pleasing than the one this correspondent had been receiving after various landings to this city since early 1990s. In the memory bank of mine, all of them are associated with nerve-wrecking whistles of flying missiles and heart-sinking thuds, artillery pieces of the competing groups would generate with their ruthless battles for territory.

A thick layer of the perpetual smoke always covered all the residential quarters of the Afghan capital. Driving towards downtown was a frightening experience, turning desolate with intense exposure to never-ending devastation. Posh areas with high-rise apartments would generate the feeling of a ghost town. For, hardly a resident dared coming out in the streets to elude getting into the crossfire of warring factions.

Most scary was a visit in early 1995. One had accompanied a nominated ambassador to Afghanistan. Before presenting his credentials to then President of Afghanistan, Professor Rabbani, he opted to spend a night at Pak embassy. It was a huge compound, covering around 22 acres. During the heydays of the "great game", diplomats of the British Empire had been operating from this awe-generating compound. In 1995, the place was handed over to Pakistan, as per the understanding reached during discussing the nitty-gritty of dividing the British assets to sovereign states of India and Pakistan.

It surely was a very bad time for savouring the delayed transfer. As if the forces of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Ahmad Shah Masood were not enough for devastating Kabul with perpetual firing at each other’s strongholds with very deadly weapons, the Shia residents of the Afghan capital also decided to carve and secure an exclusive territory for them in the same year of 1995.

All of them, known as Hazaras coming from Central Afghanistan, comprised a huge army of daily wage earners with taxing labour at bread making ovens etc. The elitist Kabulis would not sell or rent properties to them. In desperation, "Hazaras" began digging the shantytowns amongst hills surrounding Kabul. From the vintage points of these hills, they were pounding the enemy factions with heavy artillery, when we reached the Pak embassy in early 1995. The stray pieces of the competing guns often landed in the vast compound of our embassy, sandwiched in fashionable "quarters" of the elitist residents. All of us spent the whole night awaked in fear. Those also were the days, when Taliban were virtually knocking at the doors of Kabul as well.

The Afghan capital looked very chaotic even on May 3, 2004. This chaos, however, reflected a different kind, you would associate with feverish energy of building and reconstruction. No television network of the global variety has ever captured and projected the vigour you notice amongst the present-day residents of Kabul for grabbing the "economic" space and territory.

The Afghan capital was never designed to accommodate more than half a million people. A decade of resistance against the communist occupation, however, brought hordes of internally displaced persons from all over the rural areas. The trend continued even after the liberation of Afghanistan in 1992. Taliban reversed the said trend with their obsession of measuring beards of the Kabul residents and baton beating the "naked" parts of its women in public. Not everyone could cross over to Pakistan or Iran to escape the frenzied "enforcement of Islam" by Taliban. Thousands of Kabul’s residents thus ended in relatively "soft" environs of Mazar-e-Sharif in the north.

The fall of Taliban in November 2001 had radically altered the scene for another time. Now any Afghan with any kind of skill or enterprising idea wants to employ his or her talent in Kabul. Little wonder the population of this metropolis had already gone beyond three millions and waves of fresh arrivals remain unabated.

Housing is the sector you instantly notice the impact of this wave. The land prices have hit the sky and every third or fourth spot in the sprawling avenues of Kabul is busy with frenzy construction or reconstruction of buildings. Islamabad is perhaps the most unbearable for an average middle class person, when it comes to rent a house. But a house, you might get in a comfortable sector of Pakistan’s capital with the monthly rent of say a thousand dollars, would cost you not less than three to four thousands in the Afghan capital.

The cement and iron rod producers of Pakistan were the net beneficiaries of the construction boom in Kabul so far. Now is the turn of highly skilled masons and carpenters as well. They only trust their regular labour for execution. Hordes of them are also noticed while working in Kabul these days.

It had been very difficult for a group of obvious looking Pakistanis to move about the streets of Kabul, when I visited it last in 1995. Although Ghazi Ziaul Haq Shaheed and his fellow "Jihadis" in our establishment had been telling us, all through 1980s, that they were cultivating the "strategic depths" in Afghanistan, this correspondent endured the frightening hostility while moving about in Kabul with a group of colleagues that year. Noticing us, the crowds of teasing boys would instantly assemble to chase us with abusive refrains against "Punjabis", chanted with rhythmic background of hand-clapped music. This correspondent never relished the privilege of visiting Kabul, when "Ummah-loving" Taliban controlled this city. But many journalists claimed that things were friendly for Pakistanis in the Afghan capital those days.

After their fall in 2001, a spate of media stories made us to believe as if Pakistanis invoke instant hostility if "discovered" in Kabul. Throughout my stay in the Afghan capital since May 3, I have been deliberately using Urdu for communicating with every Afghan I met in the streets or restaurants. Despite acquiring the functioning knowledge of the Pushtu and Darri expressions of daily use, I would act deaf to them while asking for entrance to carefully guarded offices of some Afghan officials. This "suicidal" declaration of one’s nationality has never put me in trouble anywhere. It rather is becoming very difficult to "separate" the Pak and Afghan identities in the streets of Kabul. Blending of the two is all-pervasive. Ruling establishments of both the countries could just not do anything about it. They should better prepare living with it for moving on to actualise a plethora of very positive possibilities with mutual cooperation in our instant future.

visioninthedark

these sick retard sand-****** araabs are pieces of shitt ... their time is come too ... we'll take care of them,

BUT

don't be under any illusions that these sand-******s treat you any better .... here's and article for your reading pleasure ... they treat you as bad .... if not worse than Pakistanis ....

visioninthedark

Wrong again .... it was the dhoti wearing indians who begged Clinton to pressure Pakistan to ask the fighters to wi