Yet another Indian rocket goes Bust... The GSLV blew up!

Asim Aquil · 07-10-2006, 10:03 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...1,00040005.htm

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The INSAT 4-C satellite launched on Monday from Sriharikota off Andhra Pradesh exploded and collapsed into the sea shortly after launch.

Scientists at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre blamed a technical snag for the disaster.

The geo-synchronous satellite launch vehicle, GSLV-FO2, took off from the Sriharikota station at 5.38 pm. But after about soaring 70-100 km into the sky, it turned on itself and fell into the Bay of Bengal.

"There seems to be a mishap in the first stage of launch," Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) director G Madhavan Nair said. "We have to analyse the data."

The heaviest satellite India has ever attempted to put in space, it was the fist INSAT class satellite being launched from the country.

Typical politician move. Mask one failure with another achievement. Scientists will have to pay for it.

OrdinaryGuy · 07-10-2006, 10:07 AM

India launches many commercial and military satellites each here. There is a certain "failure" rate in the space industry.. which everyon knows about. At least our space institution is open in sharing failures with the press.. and its not clouded in govt secrecy

INSAT 4c is a commercial satellite and there have been many successful INSAT launches.

But anyway, I'm sure pakistanis are getting alot of kicks from this. After all they don't even have an indigenous missile program

**Officer of Engineers** · 07-10-2006, 10:10 AM

Oh no, this one does suck. One reason why China is not launching that many satellites anymore is because the insurance got too expensive after a string of failures.

Akshay · 07-10-2006, 10:10 AM

Nations are not build by men who never fail..
but those who never give up...

Its surprising how some people are getting high on Indian failures when there country can't even send sounding rockets in sky.

"Aadmi apne sukh se utna sukhi nahin hota hai..
jitna padosi ke dukh se sukhi hota hai.."

OrdinaryGuy · 07-10-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Oh no, this one does suck. One reason why China is not launching that many satellites anymore is because the insurance got too expensive after a string of failures.

of course it sucks, India lost a $100 million satellite.
But this is part of the lunch business, and I am sure its insured though.
There is a launch failure rate.. as yes insurance is definately expensive.

The platform used to launch this satellite is not new.. and has been used for other launches so this is most likely a technical snag that needs to be investigated and fixed

Asim Aquil · 07-10-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OrdinaryGuy

But anyway, I'm sure pakistanis are getting alot of kicks from this. After all they don't even have an indigenous missile program

From this one yeah. Agni wasn't really going to be used on us anyway. Pakistan's Suparco has a lot of catching up to do as compared to India's ISRO.

Even though it might not be true, but it'd sure hit the scientists' rep real hard. Although you and I both know it's the politicians who might have rushed it (or not stopped it, I don't know the details) after one high profile failure.

I'm sure they had to save their necks and figured they'd mask the agni failure with the Sat launch. Unfortunately good men would face humiliation instead.

OrdinaryGuy · 07-10-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Although you and I both know it's the politicians who might have rushed it (or not stopped it, I don't know the details) after one high profile failure.

I'm sure they had to save their necks and figured they'd mask the agni failure with the Sat launch. Unfortunately good men would face humiliation instead.

And you surely are an idiot to think such a major launch can be "rushed" in 48 hours to cover up for a military missile failure. Also please remember there is a very clear distinction between India's missile program and ISRO and its civilian program. ISRO is infact looking to privatise, looking for private investment and is also seeking to sell its services to companies around the world.

A few points:

1) the agni crash hasn't been politicised one bit.. not even a debate in parliament or any comment in political circles. Its viewed as a technical failure

2) the INSAT 4c was scheduled to be launched on july 10th before agni: http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Jul05_2006.htm

Akshay · 07-10-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Even though it might not be true, but it'd sure hit the scientists' rep real hard.....I'm sure they had to save their necks and figured they'd mask the agni failure with the Sat launch.

Its not the first failure ISRO has had. PSLV had quite a few failures before it turned into a reliable launch vehicle. Satellite launch/missile testing in India are not a part of political gameplan unlike Pakistan. It has more to do with scientific data collection. Yes, it would've been a great achievement had India successfully launched the GSLV. But, failures are a part & parcel of every technological development. What has been learned from these failures would be imparted in the technical society & the aeronautical colleges in India. Results would be analyzed and it would help future engineers to overcome those flaws and develop more reliable systems in place. Not acquire expertise in Paint jobs.

Few years back, I failed to compile my first 'Hello! World' program in C++. Today, I have successfully designed & simulated Mobile IPv6 architecture to provide Integrated Services upon it. Failures didn't deter me & they shall not deter our scientists either.

Asim Aquil · 07-10-2006, 10:31 AM

Geez man just my opinion. Read my disclaimer. For the other arguments I'd wait and see for more matters to unveil.

I hope India isn't planning to test a nuke right about now as well.

OrdinaryGuy · 07-10-2006, 10:32 AM

Sl No. Vehicle Launch Dates Result
1. SLV-3 E1 Aug 10, 1979 Unsuccessful
2. SLV-3 E2 Jul 18, 1980 Successful
3. SLV-3 D1 May 31, 1981 Successful
4. SLV-3 D2 Apr 17, 1983 Successful
5. ASLV-D1 Mar 24, 1987 Unsuccessful
6. ASLV-D2 Jul 13, 1988 Unsuccessful
7. ASLV-D3 May 20, 1992 Successful
8. PSLV-D1 Sep 20, 1993 Unsuccessful
9. ASLV-D4 May 4, 1994 Successful
10. PSLV-D2 Oct 15, 1994 Successful
11. PSLV-D3 Mar 21, 1996 Successful
12. PSLV-C1 Sep 29, 1997 Successful
13. PSLV-C2 May 26, 1999 Successful
14. GSLV-D1 Apr 18, 2001 Successful
15. PSLV-C3 Oct 22, 2001 Successful
16. PSLV-C4 Sep 12, 2002 Successful
17. GSLV-D2 May 8, 2003 Successful
19. PSLV-C5 Oct 17, 2003 Successful
18. GSLV-F01 Sep 20, 2004 Successful
20. PSLV-C6 May 5, 2005 Successful

OrdinaryGuy · 07-10-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Geez man just my opinion. Read my disclaimer. For the other arguments I'd wait and see for more matters to unveil.

I hope India isn't planning to test a nuke right about now as well.

you opinion shows ur lack of logic or understanding (aka stupidity).

and FYI, neither the agni 3 nor the INSAT launch had anything to do with pakistan

Asim Aquil · 07-10-2006, 10:44 AM

Errr, I can hurl some Yo mommas at you too, lil boy.

SAT launches would definitely lead to more and more sats being launched by India. Spy sats would definitely be a problem.

percentage_plyr · 07-10-2006, 10:46 AM

asim.......45 ppl of ur country died in a plane crash.....i didnt see a single line from u in that thread????!

having fun,arent u?!

OrdinaryGuy · 07-10-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

SAT launches would definitely lead to more and more sats being launched by India. Spy sats would definitely be a problem.

Once again, your lack of research shows your stupidity.
INSAT 4c is a commercial satellite for Direct-to-home TV and digital news gathering. I wonder how this is even a military topic of discussion. The launch was carried out by ISRO (Indian Space Research ORganisation) and is a civilian project

OrdinaryGuy · 07-10-2006, 11:00 AM

also.. this is a geo sync sattelite.. it can't even be used for spying.. its purely for TV and media services.

Also, the ISRO launch was broadcast live on TV and Indian news channels are now replaying the launch and how it veered off course. I think that says something for transparency.

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07-10-2006, 10:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
OrdinaryGuy Contributor Join Date: 09-24-05 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 361 Country:	India launches many commercial and military satellites each here. There is a certain "failure" rate in the space industry.. which everyon knows about. At least our space institution is open in sharing failures with the press.. and its not clouded in govt secrecy INSAT 4c is a commercial satellite and there have been many successful INSAT launches. But anyway, I'm sure pakistanis are getting alot of kicks from this. After all they don't even have an indigenous missile program

07-10-2006, 10:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Geez man just my opinion. Read my disclaimer. For the other arguments I'd wait and see for more matters to unveil. I hope India isn't planning to test a nuke right about now as well.

07-10-2006, 10:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
OrdinaryGuy Contributor Join Date: 09-24-05 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 361 Country:	Sl No. Vehicle Launch Dates Result 1. SLV-3 E1 Aug 10, 1979 Unsuccessful 2. SLV-3 E2 Jul 18, 1980 Successful 3. SLV-3 D1 May 31, 1981 Successful 4. SLV-3 D2 Apr 17, 1983 Successful 5. ASLV-D1 Mar 24, 1987 Unsuccessful 6. ASLV-D2 Jul 13, 1988 Unsuccessful 7. ASLV-D3 May 20, 1992 Successful 8. PSLV-D1 Sep 20, 1993 Unsuccessful 9. ASLV-D4 May 4, 1994 Successful 10. PSLV-D2 Oct 15, 1994 Successful 11. PSLV-D3 Mar 21, 1996 Successful 12. PSLV-C1 Sep 29, 1997 Successful 13. PSLV-C2 May 26, 1999 Successful 14. GSLV-D1 Apr 18, 2001 Successful 15. PSLV-C3 Oct 22, 2001 Successful 16. PSLV-C4 Sep 12, 2002 Successful 17. GSLV-D2 May 8, 2003 Successful 19. PSLV-C5 Oct 17, 2003 Successful 18. GSLV-F01 Sep 20, 2004 Successful 20. PSLV-C6 May 5, 2005 Successful

07-10-2006, 10:44 AM	#12 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Errr, I can hurl some Yo mommas at you too, lil boy. SAT launches would definitely lead to more and more sats being launched by India. Spy sats would definitely be a problem.

07-10-2006, 11:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
OrdinaryGuy Contributor Join Date: 09-24-05 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 361 Country:	also.. this is a geo sync sattelite.. it can't even be used for spying.. its purely for TV and media services. Also, the ISRO launch was broadcast live on TV and Indian news channels are now replaying the launch and how it veered off course. I think that says something for transparency.

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