JF-17 No.4 makes first test flight!

Asim Aquil · 04-28-2006, 09:11 AM

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An improved mode of China-developed new-generation fighter plane, the Xiaolong/FC-4 fighter, succeeded in its first flight on Friday in Southwest China's Sichuan Province.

The 16-minute trial flight of the Xiaolong/FC-4 fighter, the first of its series that has been equipped with advanced aviation electronics and weapon system, proved a great success, according to the experts.

The success of the flight marks a significant improvement in the innovation capabilities of China's aviation industry and makes possible mass production of the plane, said the experts.

The Xiaolong series are a multipurpose light fighter plane developed by the China Aviation Industry Corporation I, the Chengdu Aircraft Group Corp. and China Aero Technology Import and Export Corporation.

Source: Xinhua

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...28_261962.html

Tadaaaa

vinay60000 · 04-28-2006, 09:29 AM

whats wrong with this figther it keeps on changing its look ???

Asim Aquil · 04-28-2006, 09:38 AM

Hmmm I distinctly remember reading on some problem. But the design changes were planned due to some higher requirements I think.

Pretty cool they still managed to get it tested on time.

Asim Aquil · 04-28-2006, 09:59 AM

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/200...production.htm

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FC-1 is ready for batch production
Li Xinran
2006-04-28
THE fourth prototype of FC-1, China's self developed fighter, accomplished its first test-fly in Chengdu Today, China News Service reported.

Based on the first and third prototypes, the fourth accepted an upgrading design on aerodynamics, structure and system. It has a better performance by introducing the most advanced electronic weapon and air inlet systems in China.

As the fully operable prototype, it's successful test-fly means China is able to batch produce the fighter, the news service said.

The FC-1 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is a single-seat, single-engine, multirole fighter developed by Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation.

The first FC-1 rolled out from the assembly line on 31 May 2003, and its 15-minute maiden flight took place on 24 August 2003.

Maximus · 04-28-2006, 11:52 AM

Looks more like a copy of the F-16 from below. Wing area is small, hence means would be less manueverable and more so in the absence of Thrust Vectoring engines & canards wings at the front.

Single engine?

Are you sure these prototypes are not from the 1970s or the 80s?

Asim Aquil · 04-28-2006, 11:56 AM

Doesn't look anything like the F-16.

And you're saying its less manouverable because it looks like the F-16?

Maximus · 04-28-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Doesn't look anything like the F-16.

I said "Looks more like a copy of the F-16 FROM BELOW."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

And you're saying its less manouverable because it looks like the F-16?

No, I am saying that it looks less maneuverable because of lesser wing area, and the absence of thrust vectoring and twin canards. At least one of these is required for better maneuvering for aircraft developed in todays world.

Asim Aquil · 04-28-2006, 12:05 PM

Ok I don't know so much about aviation and will assume you're correct.

But I know these birds will only build to PAFs capabilities. New weapons, radars, range. + + +

**Officer of Engineers** · 04-28-2006, 12:24 PM

Either these are photos of an old bird or they have abandonned the changes.

highsea · 04-28-2006, 13:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Either these are photos of an old bird or they have abandonned the changes.

Which changes, Colonel?

It has the new inlets, LERX's, and Vert Stab, which were the main mods to the exterior.

This line is pretty funny though...

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The success of the flight marks a significant improvement in the innovation capabilities of China's aviation industry and makes possible mass production of the plane, said the experts.

ROFL. One 16 minute flight, and we're ready for mass production...

Asim Aquil · 04-28-2006, 13:14 PM

Right.

Right.

Also, notice the 04 on the nose?

vinay60000 · 04-28-2006, 13:41 PM

really donot know what final production model will look like ?

Asim Aquil · 04-28-2006, 13:55 PM

Can't say till it doesn't hit production.

Neo · 04-28-2006, 14:18 PM

Article from PFF;

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JF-17 is currently China's only advanced fighter developed in open. Many people use it to understand .China's fighter development direction. The DSI
change that started in June of 2004 caused many surprises, so did the Leading edge extension in September. Since 2006, JF-17 has been viewed even more when President Musharraf visited. CCTV showed brand new JF-17 04 with a previously unseen modern glass cockpit. This cockpit represent ourcountry's avionics level has reached world class. JF-17 showed 1 HUD and 2 MFD in the cockpit in previous displays. There were analog controls in the middle. The look was similar to F-16a/b. In 2004, zhuhai airshow showed a cockpit with 1 HUD and 3 MFDs. All the analog meters on the cockpit got replaced by digital control. Cockpit underwent a total digital
information redesign. However, the model does not give people the good feeling that a real thing would.

Everyone knows that JF-17 is a China/Pakistan

combined venture. JF-17's main aim is to equip PAF.

In south Asian crisis, Pakistan receive American

embargo. It not only failed to receive 79 F-16s it

order, but also could not get spare parts to F-16.

As a result, it had to order 80 F-7PG and some

squadrons even got F-16s replaced by F-7PG. This is

rarely seen in military aviation. JF-17's

development is extremely urgent. Pakistan believes

that JF-17's capability and price should be lower

than F-16C/D, but capability should be higher than

F-16A/B. Due to the anti-terrorism planning, PAF's

importance got changed. America not only agreed to

sell F-16, but also some advanced F-16s that it

could not get before. Due to this pressure, JF-17's

requirement got increased. It needs to be more

advanced than F-16, that's why you see the whole

change in 04.

The new cockpit's electronic system showed JF-17's

modified capability. The new cockpit is very

compact and functional position is positioned well

and shows very mature system. 1 HUD is the main

fighter display. This HUD has 24 degree in sight.

It can add infrared signal? and supply flying,

navigation, liftoff and landing info, it can also

display target details and shooting detail. It can

also communicate, navigate using the GUI There is a

camera located above the HUD. It records HUD and

external sights. HUD is the most important

instrument in flight. Integrated informational

level is dependent on this. Russia added some nice

looking displays for su-30, but their display

information is simple and information is spread.

So, it did not really integrate the information.

The JF-17 HUD uses a lot of digital processing and

information integration information. For example,

radar information, fight command info. HUD's

controller has the ability to change display.

Controller can also control all of the plane's

dipslay. 3 MFDs are below the HUD. It is multi-

colour LCD display. The dimension of the MFD is

20.3cmx30.6cm (note: this works out to be 8 x 12

inch, but a more realistic estimation is 6.25x8.25).

The area is 4 times the previous area. The display

brightness and contrast can be automatically

adjusted. It also allows handle control. Each MFD

displays important function. Display info can be

changed. The control on the side acts as parameter

design. Very often, left side shows weapon

situation and numbers. Right side displays radar

and combat info. The center shows some less

important info, because it requires the pilot to

lower his/her head. Like navigational info and map

and so so. All the MFD can change to other info

like radar, cockpit camera? and infrared picture and

such. cockpit also allows night navigation and

pilots can use night goggles to fly.

04 uses a hotas controller? pilot can keep hands on

controller and still control the fighter's sensor

mode, weapon and display. This greatly reduces a

pilots movement and makes operation much easier.

The controller does not affect the position in

combat? Basically, allows pilots to keep the hand

on the controller in combat. The earlier western

4th generation fighters like F-16A/B only had

limited functions on the controller. JF-17 hotas

uses advanced western design like F-16C/d, F-18C/D

and Mirage2K5's newest model for design. Also, the

system has different controls dependent on the hand

size, length and finger size and length of the user.

Basically, uses customizable controller. Allows a

lot of activities done with limited energy.

04 uses all digital integrated electronic display.

all computers/electronics uses 2 STD-MTL-1553B

databus combined, curren info shared repository and

shared data repository. According to demand, it

also divides into weapons w/commands, radar, EW,

communication, electronic control, payload control,

FBW and so on. This avionics system's core lies in 2

advanced weapons controlling computer. these two

computers do something... Each computer controls 1

double thick 1553B databus? This computer uses new

structure system. It uses main controller rights to

receive and process each system's info. At the same

time, receive pilot's command. Uses command to

control other systems. It's current world's most

advanced input computer and main line integration

web. Very few new fighters has this kind of complex

and high speed system like typhoon, rafale and F-16

E/F. This system uses battle flight software

package to exercise control and allows using

development of more detailed software package to

improve fighter capability and work load. Weapon

controlling computer directly connects to MFD's

structure. It uses information from each system to

display on the 1 HUD and 3MFDs. Radar system is

another important part of JF-17. It's also a major

commercial battle area. Pakistan used a lot of

Grifo radar in the past on F-7s. JF-17 also was

about to use this. Italy also pitted Grifo-S2000

(should be S7) in competition. China also provided

a radar for customers. Domestic radar has good

support for China's weapon systems and missiles.

The current multimode PD radar has BVR capability,

WVR capability and attack land and sea mode and

other modes. Also has look down and shoot down

capability even under disruptive environments below.

You can Track 10 targets from 40 scanned targets

and handle 2 concurrent BVR engagement. The range

vs 3 m^2 targets is larger than 75KM and look down

is larger than 45 KM. It is larger than 135 KM vs

sea targets.

04's GPS navigation system replaced the traditional navigation system, greatly improved precision and reduced preparation time. Talks about GPs capability after this and how American military controls it. It also has other wireless navigation but not as precise as GPS.

JF-17's EW suite is very complex. It combines radar warning receiver and missile proximity receiver to form surveillence system and combined with ECM work. JF-17 uses uses something to diagnose RWR. It can receive a lot of information like fighter radar, missile seeker, A2S guidance radar and provides within 1.5 degree news. RAR has about 100+ radar info repository. It uses measured info to compare. detect the threatening origin and correct (radar type or fighter type?) and warning level. This repository can improve to 300. It can allow reprogramming, receive wartime newly discovered radar signal. 04's improved tail (backside" contains a missile proximity receiver. There will probably be two more put on the fighter for 360 degree coverage. It uses infrared and purple dual band imagine device. It has a purple red window? It can sense missile's rocket engine spoke from 20 KM in. It can correctly predict missile's location, trail and such. It can even estimate engagement time. It can be expanded to a fighter/missile recognition system. It can also provide some infrared imaging, communicate with RWR and hopefully can develop passive signal detection technology.

04's EW suite also has a ECM pod. It and the ECM on the tail provide joint work. ECM current uses traidtional infrared something? modern missile's countermeasure to this is getting stronger each day. To let this simple and cheap ECM achieve high efficiency shows system's level, RWR, MPR and such. This system is only equipped by rafale and F-22. F-18E/F and F-16E/F needs upgrade to have this. 04 should also have ECM inside of fighter. It uses modern ECM technology and uses precise tracking system. Can achieve the affect of large ECM machine with small equipment. This ECM is most modern active guided AAM. It can also counter gither radar lock and scan. It's mainly for PAF's enemy IAF's R-77 missiles.

To acommodate modern web of combat. 04 is equipped with 2 ECM vs radar tower and something else. It can receive datalink info from ground of AWACS. Other equippments include big air computer? and advanced digital processing signal and such. The electronic system stores everything, all the bugs and such. It can use computer to process this. Reduces ground maintenance.

It uses western standard MIL-STD-1760 to allow for integration of western weapons and can also get hooked on with Russian weapons. It will probably uses PL-9C, SD-10, PL-11, AIM-9L/M and AIM-7F. It also good use LGBs and possible A2G missile integration.

vinay60000 · 04-29-2006, 00:58 AM

it means that chinese are saying that j10 is absolute infront of jf17 ????

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vinay60000 Banished Join Date: 02-17-06 Location: india Posts: 196	whats wrong with this figther it keeps on changing its look ???

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Hmmm I distinctly remember reading on some problem. But the design changes were planned due to some higher requirements I think. Pretty cool they still managed to get it tested on time.

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Doesn't look anything like the F-16. And you're saying its less manouverable because it looks like the F-16?

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Ok I don't know so much about aviation and will assume you're correct. But I know these birds will only build to PAFs capabilities. New weapons, radars, range. + + +

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Right. Right. Also, notice the 04 on the nose?

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vinay60000 Banished Join Date: 02-17-06 Location: india Posts: 196	really donot know what final production model will look like ?

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Can't say till it doesn't hit production.

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vinay60000 Banished Join Date: 02-17-06 Location: india Posts: 196	it means that chinese are saying that j10 is absolute infront of jf17 ????

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