American Empire

They may both fire 7.62x51mm rounds but they both function differently. For example the M21 is the bastard child of the M14 (a service rifle) and the PSG-1 is used by SWAT teams.

and I wouldn't want to carry around that big heavy M82 unless I need the highly powerful 50.cal round. I would rather have the M24 because you are much more mobile and can hide better with it. as well as diliver a very powerful round a good distance.

GraniteForge

How many SWAT teams can really afford a PSG-1?
I know more that use the Blaser LRS2, and even that is pretty rare.

7thsfsniper

Firstly, the M21 is not a bastard child. The part I didn't mention about me being partial to it, is the fact I was involved in its developent at FBNC circa 1986.

Second, A good sniper could hide anything he wants to. You take what you are assigned and trained with, and make the best of it, which is usually successful. Our guys do it every day.

IMO, the psg-1 is an expensive piece of sh1t. I owned one. nuff said. won't do it again!

Why the hell do people on this forum want to talk expertly on something they have never even pulled the trigger on???? Its beyond me!! Someone....throw me a bone here!!! WTF!!!!

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Simullacrum

Hello sfsniper,

Havent met yet, been away. Iv been reading up on your post with intrest since i got back.
you seem well versed with Sniper weapons.
Not sure if you had the chance to play or experience this weapon, but if you have what are your thoughts on the AISM L115A1 with .338 .??

cadpipe

The man makes the rifle, the rifle does not make the man. Any dweeb can pick up a rifle and fire it, but it takes a special individual to be able to consistantly hit, what needs to be hit with dependability. They know what makes a good sniper rifle and what does not. Read Hathcocks book, and his team took a horrendous toll on the VC with the two rifles they had, The Remington bolt action and the M21 (if memeory serves me correctly). There is a reason the M21/M14/M1A still exists in numbers and is still being produced and used at Camp Perry, it is can be a honking accurate firearm in the hands of someone that knows how to use it, and provide volume firepower. The one I have is a Glenn Nelson built match rifle, and is capable of so mutch more accuracy than my eyes provide these days, can't bring myself to put a scope on it. Guess I need another one for a scope, and I won't feel out classed by anything but a Barrett .50bmg. I have other rifles that are in about the same class, but the M21/M1A/M14 will always be favored, even over the FAL, but just barely, RCH.

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7thsfsniper

Would love to shoot one. A very good rifle as I have read. Brit snipers are currently equipped with them I believe.

American Empire

It really depends on the budget of the dapartment in question. You need three things for a effective unit military, police or otherwise:

1. money
2. money
3. money

Or at least that is what a green beret taught me.

omon

lol, some ppl just fail to realise, there is a lot more to a sniper than just shooting straight. almost any hunting rifle can do the job, but very few ppl are up to the task

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American Empire

Very true. I intend to train as a sniper in the military. I know it will not be easy to complete - but I feel I am up to it.

7thsfsniper

What military are you planning to do that with?

GraniteForge

OK, let me ask it another way: Do you know of any US SWAT teams that use the PSG-1, or did you just post something you read or heard somewhere?

You do know that they have been under import ban for many years? And while police departments may be theoretically able to order the rifles, the ban on civilian sales means that spares and support are nonexistent?

American Empire

US military. Why?


Only a small number of US police departments have PSG-1s because of the import ban (like you mentioned) and the high cost ($12,000 to $15,000 per rifle). I merely used the word "SWAT" because it was what came to mind whenever I think of a elite police unit. the SEK for example use a lot of PSG-1s.

Fun fact: there are only around 400 PSG-1s in he US.

jame$thegreat

People I know often ask me questions pertaining to firearms because I like to think that I am smarter than the average bear when it comes to the topic, when they ask me the question "what's your favorite sniper rifle."

I often answer in a several sentence rant about how any rifle chambered in a suitable caliber with decent Leupold scope you can buy at Walmart is by definition a sniper weapon; they often stare at me slack jawed.

I tell people over and over again that any rifle that shoots straight and is chambered in a good caliber (like .308) is all that is necessary, any manufacturer of fine firearms can produce one and that the real deciding factor is the shooter's skill level.

This is usually followed by anyone under 25 going through a laundry list of guns they recognize from Call of Duty 4 . Then I leave.

** A fun trick when talking to someone who is naming firearms they only know from a video game is to ask them what caliber the weapon is chambered in, then smile when they haven't the slightest clue **

A diagram of the situation should be as follows...

Idiot naming guns> <You.

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GraniteForge

That's an interesting number. I am sceptical.
Where does it come from?