Best Assault Rifle? - Page 23

7thsfsniper · 06-10-2008, 23:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AndreiDimitri

yes but that are also other calibers you should check out.Plenty of information is available on the internet.Apparently,there's a new caliber out there,the 6.5x39mm Grendel.It doesn't sound or look like much,it's roughly the same size of the 5.56 NATO round,but it packs almost the same punch as the .308,but with a good,accurate sniper rifle it hits at distances past 1000 meters/yards.
It also has better aerodynamics or whatever,so past 500 meters it beats the .308,i think.They should use it in an assault rifle,see how it does.

Well I did do some research Andrei. The 6.8x39 does not outperform even the 6.8 spc which is currently in use in some spec ops units. It does not outperform the m118lr round for the M21 either. They both may hit at 1000 yds, but the 6.8 does not carry the energy of the 7.62x51.

The term you search for is "ballistics". This is the term we use to refer to the characteristics of a bullet, such as energy, velocity, drop, and coefficients. There are many factors that come into play when choosing a sniper round and the grendel does not qualify IMO. That is another thread however and this one is about assault rifles. The neat thing about the 7.62x51 is that is used linked in the m-60 machinegun and in several combat rifles. A very versatile round indeed. I also understand that the grendel is also limited in mag cap as is the 7.62x51, compared to the 5.56 rounds.

American Empire · 07-08-2008, 20:28 PM

Personally I don't think their is such a thing as THE best assault rifle or firearm for that matter. It would be better if these kinda threads asked "what is your FAVORITE assault rifle.

7thsfsniper · 07-09-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by American Empire

Personally I don't think their is such a thing as THE best assault rifle or firearm for that matter. It would be better if these kinda threads asked "what is your FAVORITE assault rifle.

Good point AE. As I have always contended that the "best" one is the one in your hand. Which coincidentally may not be your favorite.

Stan187 · 07-09-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

Well I did do some research Andrei. The 6.8x39 does not outperform even the 6.8 spc which is currently in use in some spec ops units. It does not outperform the m118lr round for the M21 either. They both may hit at 1000 yds, but the 6.8 does not carry the energy of the 7.62x51.

The term you search for is "ballistics". This is the term we use to refer to the characteristics of a bullet, such as energy, velocity, drop, and coefficients. There are many factors that come into play when choosing a sniper round and the grendel does not qualify IMO. That is another thread however and this one is about assault rifles. The neat thing about the 7.62x51 is that is used linked in the m-60 machinegun and in several combat rifles. A very versatile round indeed. I also understand that the grendel is also limited in mag cap as is the 7.62x51, compared to the 5.56 rounds.

From what I've read so far, the 6.5 Grendel can fit 25 rounds in a standard 5.56 30-round mag, all it needs is slightly modified feed lips.

However, from my research it does outperform the 6.8 SPC. I'd like to read what you read though, have you got links?

Triple C · 07-09-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by omon

fedorov figured the same, when he build russia's first assult rifle(avtomat) in around 1910, he used 6.5mm arisaka round, smaller than 7,62x54r, too bad tzar said" we cant use it in the army, it needs too much ammo" about 3000 were build, some saw action in 1917 revolution.

LoL. One Royal Paras from the Big War latter wrote in his book of guns that Fedorov's weapon was the greatest missed oppertunity in the history of small arms.

omon · 07-09-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple C

LoL. One Royal Paras from the Big War latter wrote in his book of guns that Fedorov's weapon was the greatest missed oppertunity in the history of small arms.

i agree with him, the world wasn,t ready for assult rifle back than.

7thsfsniper · 07-09-2008, 20:27 PM

I stand corrected on the 6.8 spc to grendel(musht haff bin dreenking) this is a good comp for ballistics. My only problem with this is, who shoots a 24" barrel anymore? My apologies to all for the error.

7thsfsniper · 07-09-2008, 20:34 PM

The above is not the link I based my statement on. I am having trouble finding the exact one which I thought was much more complete and included other rounds. The search continues.

Yasin22 · 07-23-2008, 02:11 AM

the G3 but got more reliable when the HK417 comes out

perfectgeneral · 07-29-2008, 04:38 AM

Can I have a long barrel G36 in British .256 or 6.5mm Grendel please?

Triple C · 07-31-2008, 01:34 AM

Has anyone heard about SCAR-L/H? At least a couple of SF groups should be equipped with them now, no?

NishanbazKhan · 08-07-2008, 12:45 PM

you know what outperforms a 6.8mm and the 6.5 grendel? A 7.62 NATO. the 6.8mm only exists today because the AR platform is universally in service and you can retain the lowers when you convert to 6.8mm. And let's get a few things straight, the 6.8mm does NOT perform like a 7.62 NATO. The terminal ballistics still fall short, 6.8 is more comparable to the 7.62x39mm that AKs use. An AR-10 weighs about a pound more than an AR-15. You carry about 65-70% the ammo (7.62 NATO) you would if you carried 5.56 NATO but the round hits considerably harder and penetrates through concrete, tree trunks, brick walls, and doesn't deviate it's path through brush unlike a 5.56.

omon · 08-07-2008, 13:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NishanbazKhan

you know what outperforms a 6.8mm and the 6.5 grendel? A 7.62 NATO. the 6.8mm only exists today because the AR platform is universally in service and you can retain the lowers when you convert to 6.8mm. And let's get a few things straight, the 6.8mm does NOT perform like a 7.62 NATO. The terminal ballistics still fall short, 6.8 is more comparable to the 7.62x39mm that AKs use. An AR-10 weighs about a pound more than an AR-15. You carry about 65-70% the ammo (7.62 NATO) you would if you carried 5.56 NATO but the round hits considerably harder and penetrates through concrete, tree trunks, brick walls, and doesn't deviate it's path through brush unlike a 5.56.

correct, however 7,62 nato isn,t an assult rifle round.

NishanbazKhan · 08-07-2008, 15:33 PM

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Originally Posted by omon

correct, however 7,62 nato isn,t an assult rifle round.

actually it is, unless you are somehow going to argue the FAL, G3 and M14 are not assault rifles. I'm curious to see how you'd reason such a thing.

omon · 08-07-2008, 15:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NishanbazKhan

actually it is, unless you are somehow going to argue the FAL, G3 and M14 are not assault rifles. I'm curious to see how you'd reason such a thing.

becouse assult rifle by defenition uses intermidiate cartrige, 7,62nato isn't one.

those rifle you mentioned aren,t true assult rifles, they can be used as assult, but so can 50 .bmg round be used in pistol (and there is a pistol that shots .50), but it doesn,t make it a pistol round.

View Poll Results: What do you think?
M-16A2 5.56mm	18	8.57%
M-4 5.56mm	29	13.81%
SIG-552 5.56mm	9	4.29%
G-3 7.62mm	16	7.62%
G-36 5.56mm	47	22.38%
AUG 5.56mm	6	2.86%
FAMAS 5.56mm	4	1.90%
FNC 5.56mm	3	1.43%
L-85A2 5.56mm	7	3.33%
IMI Galil 5.56mm	3	1.43%
AK-47 7.62mm	41	19.52%
AK-74 5.56mm	9	4.29%
AK-101 5.56mm	3	1.43%
AK-103 7.62mm	15	7.14%
TKB-517 7.62mm	0	0%
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07-29-2008, 04:38 AM	#340 (permalink)
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American Empire Banished Regular Join Date: 06-27-08 Posts: 104	Personally I don't think their is such a thing as THE best assault rifle or firearm for that matter. It would be better if these kinda threads asked "what is your FAVORITE assault rifle.

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7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 1,092 Country:	The above is not the link I based my statement on. I am having trouble finding the exact one which I thought was much more complete and included other rounds. The search continues.

07-23-2008, 02:11 AM	#339 (permalink)
Yasin22 New Member Join Date: 07-23-08 Posts: 11	the G3 but got more reliable when the HK417 comes out

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08-07-2008, 12:45 PM	#342 (permalink)
NishanbazKhan Regular Join Date: 08-07-08 Posts: 37 Country:	you know what outperforms a 6.8mm and the 6.5 grendel? A 7.62 NATO. the 6.8mm only exists today because the AR platform is universally in service and you can retain the lowers when you convert to 6.8mm. And let's get a few things straight, the 6.8mm does NOT perform like a 7.62 NATO. The terminal ballistics still fall short, 6.8 is more comparable to the 7.62x39mm that AKs use. An AR-10 weighs about a pound more than an AR-15. You carry about 65-70% the ammo (7.62 NATO) you would if you carried 5.56 NATO but the round hits considerably harder and penetrates through concrete, tree trunks, brick walls, and doesn't deviate it's path through brush unlike a 5.56.

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