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  • M-16A2 5.56mm

    19 8.56%
  • M-4 5.56mm

    31 13.96%
  • SIG-552 5.56mm

    9 4.05%
  • G-3 7.62mm

    16 7.21%
  • G-36 5.56mm

    51 22.97%
  • AUG 5.56mm

    7 3.15%
  • FAMAS 5.56mm

    4 1.80%
  • FNC 5.56mm

    3 1.35%
  • L-85A2 5.56mm

    8 3.60%
  • IMI Galil 5.56mm

    3 1.35%
  • AK-47 7.62mm

    44 19.82%
  • AK-74 5.56mm

    9 4.05%
  • AK-101 5.56mm

    3 1.35%
  • AK-103 7.62mm

    15 6.76%
  • TKB-517 7.62mm

    0 0%
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Thread: Best Assault Rifle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple C View Post
    Does sound like one to me. HK claims 416 enjoys improved accuracy over the M-4. It is not plausible that their weapon is in fact three times inferior.
    Not to mention that HK (as well as independent testers) claim to be getting better accuracy than Colt weapons from much shorter barrels than said Colt weapons.
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    IIRC they attribute that to the fact that the 416 has a cold hammer-forged, free-floating barrel.

    I've read reports from reputable sources saying that the shorter barreled rifles will give accuracy comparable to that of M4 (14.5" barrels).
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    Quote Originally Posted by leib10 View Post
    IIRC they attribute that to the fact that the 416 has a cold hammer-forged, free-floating barrel.
    Quite right Leib, as usual
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    Quote Originally Posted by leib10 View Post
    Although it is undeniable that the 416 is more reliable than DI AR's, it does not offer a sufficiently high increase in performance to warrant it replacing M4's and M16's.
    No, I didn't think so. I've never thought that the M-16/M-4 family was anything but a great weapons system, but I know that the 416 family has made some improvements. The Army/Marines have invested a lot in the M-16/M-4, and unless the 416 family can by seamlessly integrated into the supply chain, I would not expect the 416 to be issued to anyone but SO forces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triple C View Post
    From what I have heard, most special forces soldiers prefer the 416 because they feel that the ergonomics are superior and that the system is more familiar to them.
    That’s what I thought. I always though the M-16/M-4 style weapons looked the most comfortable to carry and fire. Weapons that have the magazine in the stock behind the trigger seem awkward to me, but that’s just my opinion.

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    Lastly, the "problems" JA Boomer refers to were fixed when the Army changed its choice of powder (back to the stuff Gene Stoner had reccomended in the first place), chromed the bbl,, and added a fwd. asst(M16A1).
    Mmm...I thought the "problems" were related to the direct impingement gas operation which gave the weapon problems when the chamber got wet or dirty?

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    This is a very tricky question.

    I myself would say that my personal favorite is the AK-47. No, it's not because I think the M-16 will crap out on me, or any of that other Vietnam-era ridiculousness. It has to do mostly with the fact that, while the M-16 series is very accurate, the AK-47 is cheap, easy to maintain and has (to my knowledge) superior killing power--if the bullet hits. However, it lacks accuracy and--from what I hear--is very uncomfortable to fire. The modern M-16's (M-16A2, M-16A4 and so on) are still very good weapons, don't get me wrong. It's very comftorable, accurate and customizable.

    Only weapon I would rate higher is probably the FN-FAL. It's just as accurate as the M-16 and just as powerful and prolific, if not more so, than the AK. I particularly like the L1A1.

    Overall, this is a very tricky question, IMHO. I suppose it boils down to personal preference. And keep in mind, I don't have experence firing these weapons. I'm only working off what I have heard and learned.

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    Not being a 'gun guy' either, I also rely on personal experience, and about the only three weapons I have any experience with are various marks of M-16, the G-3, and the absolutely superior M-4.

    That's what I want, and in almost any circumstances imaginable. It's THAT good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey Business View Post
    This is a very tricky question.

    I myself would say that my personal favorite is the AK-47. No, it's not because I think the M-16 will crap out on me, or any of that other Vietnam-era ridiculousness. It has to do mostly with the fact that, while the M-16 series is very accurate, the AK-47 is cheap, easy to maintain and has (to my knowledge) superior killing power--if the bullet hits. However, it lacks accuracy and--from what I hear--is very uncomfortable to fire. The modern M-16's (M-16A2, M-16A4 and so on) are still very good weapons, don't get me wrong. It's very comftorable, accurate and customizable.

    Only weapon I would rate higher is probably the FN-FAL. It's just as accurate as the M-16 and just as powerful and prolific, if not more so, than the AK. I particularly like the L1A1.

    Overall, this is a very tricky question, IMHO. I suppose it boils down to personal preference. And keep in mind, I don't have experence firing these weapons. I'm only working off what I have heard and learned.
    1) The FAL is a main battlefield rifle and not an assault rifle.(although shorty versions might be looked at as an assault rifle.
    2) With very few exceptions, any M16 family rifle, off the shelf/out of the box, will shoot tighter groups than an FAL.

    With that being said, the rifle I would chose to go into battle with would be the FAL as when all the factors, that are important to me, are compared, the FAL is the rifle that comes out on top.

    The AK 47/74 family did not seem too uncomfortable to shoot as long as it had a decent compensator and the stock fits you. You can get one chambered for the .223/5.56 and it is a hoot to shoot. Unfortunately they are semi auto only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    1) The FAL is a main battlefield rifle and not an assault rifle.(although shorty versions might be looked at as an assault rifle.
    Thus why I did not pick it as my favorite Assault Rifle. :-) But that was a mistake on my part, I did not elaborate on the difference. And thank you for the information.

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    I picked the SIG for a couple of reasons,it's a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and I'm as much a SIGaholic as Lieb is an HKholic,they're both habit forming .
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    That they most certainly are.
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    I'd take the M-4.

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    I would take the new C-7 so I don't have to take my gloves off in the cold.

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    close range Ak 47 ( up to 200 m).

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    funny how we choose an assult rifle, but most solgers can,t do such thing, they do with what they are issued with, i,m 99% sure i,d be just fine with any rifle on the list, you just learn limitation of it, and use it the way it performs best. the best weapon is the one between your ears
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    just noticed, in the poll ak74 has 5,56. no ak 74 was chambered for .223, it is always 5,45x39, if it is 5,56 than it isn,t ak74
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