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M-16A2 5.56mm
M-4 5.56mm
SIG-552 5.56mm
G-3 7.62mm
G-36 5.56mm
AUG 5.56mm
FAMAS 5.56mm
FNC 5.56mm
L-85A2 5.56mm
IMI Galil 5.56mm
AK-47 7.62mm
AK-74 5.56mm
AK-101 5.56mm
AK-103 7.62mm
TKB-517 7.62mm
lucky guy in marine police my friend or as you call it coast guard , ooh schooling-trainnings provided by U.S. Greece and Cyprus Republic.
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Solon you Greeks will be for ever kids,you forget your history and you start all over again(Plato)
Mmm...I see the H&K 416/417 is not on the list. What's the word on these new rifles? They seem like very capable weapons to me, retaining all of the M-16/M-4 advantages while solving most of the problems that have been associated with them over the years. Or do many people simply view them as M-16 variants?
Although it is undeniable that the 416 is more reliable than DI AR's, it does not offer a sufficiently high increase in performance to warrant it replacing M4's and M16's.
However, that hasn't prevented special forces, such as Delta, from acquiring them. Word on the street is that they also prefer it over the new SCAR (it's just a rumor).
"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man
From what I have heard, most special forces soldiers prefer the 416 because they feel that the ergonomics are superior and that the system is more familiar to them.
All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
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Disclaimer:This is all open sourse stuff, I'm nobody "in the know"
Apparently the M-4 will shoot 1.5-2MOA, while the 416 shoots btwerrn 4-5MOA. Direct impingement is the most accurate operating system for a semi-auto format long arm.
The 416 is, indeed, seeing service in various squalid third world hell holes, helping Mohammed's errant sons find an early paradise. They are not, however, being used as a replacement for the tried, true, effective, and massively virtually(read the web) derided M-4. The piston operating system functions better than direct impingement in an SBR (10-12"bbl) setup. That, however, is true of any piston operated upper, and not because of any majikal HK voodoo juice
Lastly, the "problems" JA Boomer refers to were fixed when the Army changed its choice of powder (back to the stuff Gene Stoner had reccomended in the first place), chromed the bbl,, and added a fwd. asst(M16A1). This is not to say that the weapon was innefective before that. Does anybody remember hearing about how much the XM-16E sucked when the 1st Cav took the fight to the NVA in the Ia Drang in 1965 (a full two and a half years before the stories of Marines dying with the cleaning rods still in their bbls. while on outpost duty around Khe Sahn)? Nope. Or when the 9thID was up to its eyeballs in water chasing Sir Charles around the Delta?
Anyhoo...yet again, the M-16 family is fine, and will not be replaced with another weapon that fires a conventional, brass cased cartrige. I doubt the SAS would have adopted it (or its Colt Canadia C-8 cousin) in the last coupla years if this weren't the case.
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BTW Lieb, I was under the impression that the SCAR wasn't due to be issued (available) unitl the middle of the coming fiscal quarter.
They're not. They're still very much in the test phase.
Source?
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"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man
LOVED my M-4. First-rate rifle. As accurate as a Swiss banker's books, and as handy as fork in a Chinese restaurant.
Oh, and I looked back through the earlier pages of the Frankenstein's-monster-of-a-thread, and I was on FIRE re: North Korea!
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how many moa is for ak?
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It's in the old archives. According to ol' Sniper it's 4-6 MOA or there abouts, but I might be wrong.
All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
in that case (if acuracy of 416 is 4-5moa, and ak 4-6 moa) i don,t see how 416 is better than ak
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin
I seriously question the validity of that claim. If the accuracy was that bad, NOBODY would've bought the 416. They wouldn't be in the hands of the Capitol Guards, Delta, and a few others.
If the test was done with a 10" barreled 416, MAYBE. But the midlength and fullsize models, give me a break. They must've had a Gomer Pyle type shoot the weapon for the test if that's the case.
"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man
I really don't buy it unless I see it that a 416 shoots 3-4 times larger groups than an M-4.
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did some search on the web found 1.3 moa from 12 ", different sites different numbers, but not one claims 4-5 moa.
guess 4-5 moa hk 416 is a myth
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin
Does sound like one to me. HK claims 416 enjoys improved accuracy over the M-4. It is not plausible that their weapon is in fact three times inferior.
All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
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