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    Quote Originally Posted by cottage cheese
    So I suppose the kind of deployment I observed was asking for a hiding- One platoon, no coherent sniper /observer combo (Lemontree, do we have a sniper FD guideline in the IA?), individual snipers (two per platoon) armed with unscoped Dragunovs, sticking out like a sore thumb, leggin it.

    In what you said, were you meaning a situation where only sniper/sniper teams were caught on the business end? Or a sniper /team with a platoon?

    My query was leaning more towards the latter.
    The IA has "xyz" snipers authorised per battalion and they are the bn cdrs assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    The IA has "xyz" snipers authorised per battalion and they are the bn cdrs assets.
    So their field deployment is, as I perceive, circumstantial .... more of an administrative division of labor?

    In actual field deployment, do we have any SOPs or is it just a random thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottage cheese
    In actual field deployment, do we have any SOPs or is it just a random thing?
    In actual war they are used as per the bn cdrs battle plans.
    In COIN ops as per the coy cdr, there is no SOP in standard inf bns but it exists in para units.
    In COIN ops inf bns use them mainly in OPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    In actual war they are used as per the bn cdrs battle plans.
    In COIN ops as per the coy cdr, there is no SOP in standard inf bns but it exists in para units.
    In COIN ops inf bns use them mainly in OPs.
    What would be the ideal arrangement for you?

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    "In what you said, were you meaning a situation where only sniper/sniper teams were caught on the business end? Or a sniper /team with a platoon?"

    Well when we get down to it that doesn't really matter wrt this question.

    M-21(PSG-1, M-25, M-14, Druganov, etc) armed snipers have an excellent short range self defense capability. M-24, M-40, M-89 etc armed snipers are extremely in utility at close range, regardless of the unit they're operating in.

    "It also depends on which environment the snipers are fighting in. For instance, in the Vietnamese jungles, where visibility was very limited, snipers would not be of much use because their main advantage- being able to strike from a distance- has been taken away. As Snipe said, when armed with bolt action rifles, they'd be nearly helpless."

    As lemon and i have discussed in the past, this is a bit of a myth. In a jungle a sniper team will look for 'lanes' to shoot through, and a good hide will be carefully selected/prepared to offer good lanes, preferably in somewhat elevated terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottage cheese
    What would be the ideal arrangement for you?
    In war or insurgency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    In war or insurgency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
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    As lemon and i have discussed in the past, this is a bit of a myth. In a jungle a sniper team will look for 'lanes' to shoot through, and a good hide will be carefully selected/prepared to offer good lanes, preferably in somewhat elevated terrain.
    So a dragunov armed sniper would have a chance in close up furballing.

    Now with reference with your quote above, the sniper team can do this when they have had the time to prepare. But not much chance in a counter ambush I suppose.

    I don't suppose in the US army snipers dont usually hangaround with foot patrols? Always a step ahead or behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottage cheese
    Mokokchung
    On patrol I rarely moved during the day. It was always by night, and I deployed during the day. Hence I use to have my sniper and a silenced carbine at hand.
    It also depended on the type of patrol. If it was info and show of presence gathering then move by day was inevitable. But if we were on the look out then move was always by night.

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    Lemontree, what did/do you do in your army?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperdude411
    Lemontree, what did/do you do in your army?
    I was an officer in an infantry battalion.

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    mate don' wana create a contreversy but INSAS are certainly one of the best .

    It could have been though as they have been manufactured in NEPAL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proud Indian
    It could have been though as they have been manufactured in NEPAL
    What????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proud Indian
    mate don' wana create a contreversy but INSAS are certainly one of the best .

    It could have been though as they have been manufactured in NEPAL

    Accepting that fact is not a crime and jingoism doesnt win you anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    What????
    Never mind him, he is a troll. Nothing he ever typed has made any sense so far.
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