Nepal says Indian INSAS riffles let it down in rebel battle

**lemontree** · 17 Aug 05,, 08:43

Originally Posted by cottage cheese

pretty cool eh?- nepal to mokokchung! I'm returning home in September - maybe I'll pop into mokokchung then. the circle will be complete then.

The circle will only be complete when we both can sit and have a drink together.

**cottage cheese** · 17 Aug 05,, 09:32

Originally Posted by lemontree

The circle will only be complete when we both can sit and have a drink together.

Yup! We'll do that! As you say - cheers...on the rocks! Where are you now ?

Let's now wait for M21 to join in....

**lemontree** · 17 Aug 05,, 10:17

Originally Posted by cottage cheese

Yup! We'll do that! As you say - cheers...on the rocks! Where are you now ?

Let's now wait for M21 to join in....

I'm in Bombay in civi street now.
I'll msg Sniper to comment on your qery.

**aaaditya** · 17 Aug 05,, 14:14

wow an indian assault rifle and its problems thread has now turned into a family reunion thread.

**cottage cheese** · 17 Aug 05,, 14:34

Originally Posted by aaaditya

wow an indian assault rifle and its problems thread has now turned into a family reunion thread.

haha! Wierd isn't it? Check out the US Army vs Indian Army thread... (the tail end of it)- from the USarmy and IA match up it went to Shillong and its student unrest... then to Nagaland Police vs Assam Police....

Anyway, we're depending on folks like you to drag us back into single file. Let's see what M21 has to say.... we'll take it forward then

**Samudra** · 17 Aug 05,, 15:07

The USAF vs IAF thread had a better turn of things

Whats Ao ?
How do you spell it ? 'Oh' , 'A-O' ?

**cottage cheese** · 17 Aug 05,, 15:12

Originally Posted by Samudra

The USAF vs IAF thread had a better turn of things

Whats Ao ?
How do you spell it ? 'Oh' , 'A-O' ?

You pronounce Ao as in Chairman Mao, and its the tribe I belong to.

USAF vs IAF... how could I forget that? Our valiant 15!!

**Samudra** · 17 Aug 05,, 15:17

Hey , thats nice.

**Bill** · 17 Aug 05,, 15:37

OK, what exactly is the question you good lads need answered?

I didn't read the whole thread, lol.

Post any questions, and i'll answer them when i get in tonight(full day of working on the 928 ahead of me).

**cottage cheese** · 17 Aug 05,, 15:58

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

OK, what exactly is the question you good lads need answered?

I didn't read the whole thread, lol.

Post any questions, and i'll answer them when i get in tonight(full day of working on the 928 ahead of me).

Hi M21,
Nice of you to drop in, well since you're the factual sniper here, I thought we'd have you join in this little discussion between lemontree and myself. We were talking of insurgency and ambushes and counter ambushes in my end of the country- dense jungle, hilly, narrow winding roads etc. Just wanted to know of the usefulness of a sniper or two in platoon strength road (foot) patrol- well dispersed at that, in the occasion that they were ambushed by well positioned guerillas?

We're talking counter ambush here.

Also what do you think of the Nepal issue?

**sniperdude411** · 18 Aug 05,, 03:38

Originally Posted by cottage cheese

Yup- Maybe we should've loaded 4 -5 KGS of buckshot for the 84MMs - The ultimate Shotgun!

Oh dude

**Bill** · 18 Aug 05,, 15:27

"Hi M21,
Nice of you to drop in, well since you're the factual sniper here, I thought we'd have you join in this little discussion between lemontree and myself. We were talking of insurgency and ambushes and counter ambushes in my end of the country- dense jungle, hilly, narrow winding roads etc. Just wanted to know of the usefulness of a sniper or two in platoon strength road (foot) patrol- well dispersed at that, in the occasion that they were ambushed by well positioned guerillas?

We're talking counter ambush here."

Snipers do not operate in platoon sized strength. Section size is the largest size snipers will ever operate in(3x2 man teams).

As far as their ability/usefulness at breaking ambushes it depends on how they're armed. If they all have semi-automatic weapons and their spotters have good close contact weapons(like US Army snipers do), then a sniper team has a fighting chance at breaking an ambush. If they're all packing bolt action rifles, they've almost no chance at all.

So it depends how they're armed.

Also what do you think of the Nepal issue?"

Don't know enough about that situation to comment.

**cottage cheese** · 18 Aug 05,, 17:05

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Snipers do not operate in platoon sized strength. Section size is the largest size snipers will ever operate in(3x2 man teams).

As far as their ability/usefulness at breaking ambushes it depends on how they're armed. If they all have semi-automatic weapons and their spotters have good close contact weapons(like US Army snipers do), then a sniper team has a fighting chance at breaking an ambush. If they're all packing bolt action rifles, they've almost no chance at all.
So it depends how they're armed.

So I suppose the kind of deployment I observed was asking for a hiding- One platoon, no coherent sniper /observer combo (Lemontree, do we have a sniper FD guideline in the IA?), individual snipers (two per platoon) armed with unscoped Dragunovs, sticking out like a sore thumb, leggin it.

In what you said, were you meaning a situation where only sniper/sniper teams were caught on the business end? Or a sniper /team with a platoon?

My query was leaning more towards the latter.

**leib10** · 18 Aug 05,, 22:13

It also depends on which environment the snipers are fighting in. For instance, in the Vietnamese jungles, where visibility was very limited, snipers would not be of much use because their main advantage- being able to strike from a distance- has been taken away. As Snipe said, when armed with bolt action rifles, they'd be nearly helpless.

**lemontree** · 19 Aug 05,, 05:23

Originally Posted by leibstandarte10

It also depends on which environment the snipers are fighting in. For instance, in the Vietnamese jungles, where visibility was very limited, snipers would not be of much use because their main advantage- being able to strike from a distance- has been taken away. As Snipe said, when armed with bolt action rifles, they'd be nearly helpless.

The terrain in the north-east India is similar to Vietnam.