Thread: Rise of the M-4 death of the MP-5?

Originally Posted by leibstandarte10

Should've asked this in my last post, but what will the newer helmets, the ones we're using right now, stop?

Same thing, but definitely on the IIIA side. Slightly less coverage and the newer Kevlar fabric (10% less weight than the old) = less weight.

Also, since it is comfortable and you often forget that you are wearing your helmet, you never have to worry about enforcing wear of the helmet. Kind of the same thing for ballistic eye protection. If you get Oakleys or something else that looks cool, soldiers will wear it because they feel like an operator. If you get something that looks like the safety glasses from your chemistry lab, the fact that they can save your eyes means nothing in comparison to the dork factor that would be present if you wore them.

Originally Posted by sniperdude411

Keyword: rare
I've read many milblogs, articles, and magazines that tell (and show) of mp5s in Iraq.

I'm curious who's using the MP5s in Iraq from your articles. Outside of PSDs for VIPs (which are manned by contracted security firms), especially during convoy ops where a smaller weapon with a high rate of firing can be easily controlled/aimed from within a vehicle to stop drive up shootings, I just don't see the MP5's advantage. The M4s are a very easily controlled during CQM and were never too big in any of the buildings my unit cleared, and overpenetration is not an issue with the cinderblock construction found in Iraq.

What would happen if you were hit by a high powered rifle round in the helmet but it failed to penetrate? Would you be knocked senseless?

Originally Posted by leibstandarte10

What would happen if you were hit by a high powered rifle round in the helmet but it failed to penetrate? Would you be knocked senseless?

Look at the link above for Oregon Aero. That should answer your question.

"That'd be me. Of course, I never understood why you needed to unbuckle the chinstrap since you could loosen it to where you barely felt it."

Ah c'mon sir...it looks cooler.

I did the loosen the strap thing too.

"If you get something that looks like the safety glasses from your chemistry lab, the fact that they can save your eyes means nothing in comparison to the dork factor that would be present if you wore them."

Does the army still issue RPGs to the troops who need glasses?

RPG= Rape Prevention Glasses.

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

"That'd be me. Of course, I never understood why you needed to unbuckle the chinstrap since you could loosen it to where you barely felt it."

Ah c'mon sir...it looks cooler.

I did the loosen the strap thing too.

Hey, what were you doing with a helmet, anyway? Shouldn't you have been wearing a boonie?

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

"If you get something that looks like the safety glasses from your chemistry lab, the fact that they can save your eyes means nothing in comparison to the dork factor that would be present if you wore them."

Does the army still issue RPGs to the troops who need glasses?

RPG= Rape Prevention Glasses.

Are you talking the Buddy Holly looking ones? Those were cool compared to the BCD (Birth Control Devices) that are issued now. I was referring to ballistic eye protection which gives a greater degree of protection than the BCDs. We actually bought Oakley S******* glasses for everyone and both the prescription lenses for our guys that needed it. Of course, it took us until we were in Iraq before we could do that. Occular injuries were the biggest injuries for the Marines during Fallujah Part I - a lot of their Marines got crushed by eye injuries from shrapnel.

Yeah, the old horn-rimmed looking things they issued in my day.

HIDEOUS.

We called them either Birth Control Glasses, or Rape prevention Goggles.

Got a pic of the new ones? It's utterly impossible to think they could be any worse...

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

"If you get something that looks like the safety glasses from your chemistry lab, the fact that they can save your eyes means nothing in comparison to the dork factor that would be present if you wore them."

Does the army still issue RPGs to the troops who need glasses?

RPG= Rape Prevention Glasses.

Thank you very much for providing the definition of that acronym; I'd be so lost if you didn't.

I found this store that claims they've sold thousands of these to troops in Iraq.
http://store.soliscompany.com/goformipeigo.html

Originally Posted by sniperdude411

Thank you very much for providing the definition of that acronym; I'd be so lost if you didn't.

I found this store that claims they've sold thousands of these to troops in Iraq.
http://store.soliscompany.com/goformipeigo.html

They look like the cheap Wiley-X knock offs that are sold at NTC - that's the Mojave Desert. They meet the ANSI standards but they aren't listed as meeting the MILSPEC standards - that may mean that they just haven't been tested.

Ah yes, the wonderful NTC resort and casino in the balmy Mojave.

I had some good times there, i loved that place.

Really.

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Ah yes, the wonderful NTC resort and casino in the balmy Mojave.

I had some good times there, i loved that place.

Really.

I thought it sucked. Probably had more to do with the fact that we fought the standard armored hordes scenario without attack aviation and very limited CAS and ADA assets as per IBCT doctrine for such threat environments. We crushed the OPFOR in the hills when they were within Javelin range, so they stood off on the valley floor (where they would have been juicy targets for A-10s) beyond the range of our Javelins and crushed us. However, we did spend three days at the old George AFB (now SCLA) prior to the rotation and trained MOUT in the old housing areas. It was probably the most fun training event I've ever done.

I didn't really care if my Bn won or lost, just that i, my team, and my Plt performed well.

I mean if you joined to be a 'warrior', short of war, NTC is as close as yer gonna get. NTC is almost like war without the consequences.
Besides, we're supposed to lose at NTC. That's how you learn.