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You can step on scorpions, you know... :P)
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By being criminally in my house they have allready shown a willingness to harm me (taking my possessions is harming me) and break the law. At that point I am justifiably defending myself against a perceived threat. In my opinion this is all the law and court needs to say weather I defend myself with my fists, a baseball bat, pistol or howitzer. (though who has a loaded howitzer in their house?). Any situation where a person isn't allowed to defend themselves from intruders in their home is simply wrong. I do not extend this right out of doors as there is to much chance of mistaken identity, someone wandering around lost or looking for help.
Then I would have to clean my boots as they are so squishy.@Rusty
You can step on scorpions, you know... :P
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Bingo, - There is no grey-area in my mind.
If somebody is actually inside your house uninvited, - They are a threat.
That act of intrusion into somebody else's home, for me, has broken one the most ancient, primeval, codes we humans have hard-wired in to our brains.
They're in your den, - They are a threat to you and your offspring/family, - They've given up any rights they had before entering your home.
All:
Newbie here: I've been, & for a while will continue to be, lurking, trying to sort through your internal wheels & gears. Bear with me, & pardon any temerity, but your outfit did ask my opinion.
I live, & always have, except for the time I was in the Navy, in Alabama. Not exactly a state renowned for coddling criminals. Nontheless, the partial mess that is referred to as the '73 code modernized state code to the extent that armed home defence required serious & potentially suicidal judgement calls. It not only hindered immediate response to outrageous assault but it also encouraged homeowners (or apartment dwellers) to purchase throwaway weapons to illegally chuck into a crime scene, & encouraged police officers to carry such junk as discardibles to protect themselves from internal & external prosecution.
The recent changes to the code in response to the nationwide "Castle Doctrine" movement are marvelous & have resulted in an immediate reduction in home invasion statistics around here.
Before the '73 reforms, "armed burglary of an occupied dwelling" was a capital offense. Justifiably, I think. I ain't much of a death penalty advocate, but just about anyone should admit that the philosophical justification is reasonable. Anyone who breaks into an occupied home with weapons should be assumed to be ready & willing to use them. The "Castle Doctrine" simply levels the playing field.
The Prof
One does not have to get a degree in law to protect oneself against charges when using force against another person.Every country has Criminal Code Procedure and relevent sections pertaining to use of force should be studied. Law abiding citizens fail to comply by not coming as witness against a criminal for various reasons and therefore most criminals walk away or get a light sentence.Secondly there is a gap between Department of Law(Police) and Department of Justice(Judge) unless this gap is narrowed crime will be
pestering our lives.
There is also a qoute from a very famous poet and philospher of Iran- Shiekh Saadi who stated; If you cannot stand a sting, do not put your finger in a scorpion's nest. As much as you think of wiping your shoes, similarly if one scorpion intrudes into other's lair there
will be a stinging fight.
I'm sorry I have to make a comment here. Do you realize how hard it is to accurately aim a firearm to "just" disable a person? Especially when your adrenaline is pumping. I learned to shoot in the military and they drill to aim for center mass in basic and infantry school. Then I was taught to aim for head shots in certain circumstances.
Two in the chest,one in the head.F**k with me and you're gonna be dead.(To be chanted while performing Mozambique drills).
"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories." Thomas Jefferson
Exactly, so I find it hard to fathom how anyone would expect someone with limited firearms training to be able to shoot only to wound.Two in the chest,one in the head.F**k with me and you're gonna be dead.(To be chanted while performing Mozambique drills)
Aim for center mass. Fire until the crook stops moving. Movement is a threat. He might be reaching for a weapon. If he moves, shoot again. This is not a Hollywood movie where I shoot once and then check to see if I hit him.
"It's a trick...get an axe."
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
It's a natural right of all the living beings to defend themselves from the intruders....
I would hope that I would have the wherewithal and items necessary to defend my home and its occupants to the amount necessary and proper for the situation at hand.
-dale
Then be sure to keep your finger loaded.i'm gonna feel like hell the next day, but i'll shoot to wound or kill, whatever it takes to protect my family and myself, even my neighbors or a stranger in mortal danger from an attacker. I would hope that i'll be intelligent about it and not shoot if there is another way to subdue the intruder.
Hey, i don't even own a gun.
Last edited by tim52; 28 Oct 09, at 00:35.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Aw, hell. Shoot to hit. Let the bullet(s), physics & physiology do the sorting out. Kinda careless, but what else is the non-marksman to do? If you succeed, at least you've ruined the guy's day.
Doc
I support the right to defend yourself and your property, but:
I never had a situation where a weapon (of any sort) would have necessary. Or could i think of of any my friends, relatives, acquintances who would have the need for it. And the last violent situation i was in was at high school when i had a run-in with some scum. resulted in (probably) fractured nose for me and loss of several tooth for one of the attackers. So this is my one and only war story. Although if i lived in a farmhouse in middle of forest i´d probably have something for protection.
I always wondered in this forum on the american members side of the story - there seems to be many gun-owners, people with lots of knowledge - has there ever been a need for those weapons (for self-defence/home defence)?
Last edited by BD1; 28 Oct 09, at 01:41.
If i only was so smart yesterday as my wife is today
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