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Reply With QuoteCompletely agree - It's a fair assertion that one can defend ones home from intrusion through force, but the gaffes should be minimised where possible.Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid
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[QUOTE=Ruskiy;686648] after warning shot fired, you have the right to shoot trespasser or any other violator below waist and it would not be considered as felony.
I totally support that.
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Let me get this straight: You have to fire a warning shot first? Without regard if the bullet comes down through the window of another house and hits a baby in its crib (Lloyd Bridges played such a person in a cop series on TV who accidentally shoots a baby).
Then you can only fire BELOW the waist? I can see Ed McGivern or Bill Jordan being that cool and accurate in those circumstances, but not an ordinary guy.
"Buck Fever" is the best accurate description I can apply to what really will occur. I have seen people punch out the X ring of a target at 200 yards but completly miss a Buck Mule Deer at 30 yards when the emotions come up. On the other side of the coin, I had a hunting buddy who always shot his limit using very little ammunition (many were one-shot kills) but on the target range was lucky if some of the bullets were even in the black.
My grandmother could shoot her .22 Remington pump action rifle with deadly accuracy (in WW II during meat rationing she only needed two shots to take out two Pheasants in the vacant lot next door though only their heads were above the grass - yes, both were head shots). But she was only fair with a handgun, using a .32 Iver Johnson breaktop once to chase away an intruder when she was a young girl in Norwalk, Wisconsin.
But she always wanted one of my snub-nosed .38's under her pillow (either the Colt or the bigger S&W). She said she would only shoot to wound.
Well, with her rifle she could drill each knee cap with ease. But I told her that, with a handgun, if she shot to wound she would most likely miss, especially if at some distance even as short as across the living room. In most gunfights, you shoot to kill and generally would most likely wound at best.
So, I recommend you go for the kill zone. Unless it's a heart shot or kidney shot, you will only wound him anyway (though rather seriousl). But under the emotional excitement of the "occasion" you are not going to take a target shooters stance, lock your elbow and calmly bring down the gun for a perfect sight picture. Go for the heart and with luck you will get him in the shoulder, thigh or (if his back is turned to you) the glutous maximus.
Ummmm. Gotta amend that a bit. If you use an M1928-A1 Thompson on full auto your chances of wounding him (several times) are well up there in probablility.
Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.
Completely agree - It's a fair assertion that one can defend ones home from intrusion through force, but the gaffes should be minimised where possible.
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- John Stuart Mill.
Um, that is complete nonsense.
Washington State doesn't have a "castle law", but doesn't have a requirement to retreat either.
You can read the law here:
Title 9A RCW: Washington criminal code
Lawful use of force is described here:
RCW 9A.16.020: Use of force ? When lawful.
and here:
RCW 9A.16.040: Justifiable homicide or use of deadly force by public officer, peace officer, person aiding.
and here:
RCW 9A.16.050: Homicide ? By other person ? When justifiable.
man do I ever have to agree to disagree...
The Second Amendment does not state “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” Except… if your zip code is X, your standing at Y, or the type or class of weapon/arm you have or desire to have is Z…
Or you wish to carry that weapon open or concealed...
Or only if you protect your property, life, etc., in a specific way...
Bill of Rights...
God Given...
Non-Negotiable...
Without our liberties, we have nothing...
I quite enjoy FL's laws on the subject. The Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Grand law make it fairly safe to defend your person or the lives of another. In your home or anywhere else.
Interesting read. You did some good research on that. It all goes to show why a lawyer wrote a book called "The World Without Lawyers". I believe he was interviewed on "60 Minutes" and what he (and others in the legal profession) point out is that we are OVER REGULATED with laws that sometimes contradict other laws and many that are not based upon COMMON SENSE.
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I support the Castle Doctrine even though I don't currently own a gun. I am rather handy with a nine iron though.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
lol "fooooorrrreeeee".i support the castle doctrine even though i don't currently own a gun. I am rather handy with a nine iron though.
Australian Gun Control Facts:
YouTube - Australian Gun Control Facts[/QUOTE]
Obviously the Australian Gun Control Facts video was put out by the US gun lobby.
Yes, we did have a huge turn change of thinking after the mass shootings at Port Arthur where a lone gunman killed 35 and wounded 21. Even the Americans haven't broken that record, yet. The Govt made all semi auto firearms a prohibited weapon and had a "buy back" as compensation. Any weapon that was semi auto or had a pistol grip was banned. I handed in a .22 Winchester semi auto along with a Browning semi auto 12 gauge. A mate of my father won a trophy at a shooting club, the trophy was a gold and jade inlayed semi auto shotgun. It had to be handed in also. The Govt wouldn't let him make it unusable so as to keep the trophy. It hurt having to hand them in but the buy back price was more way more than I paid for them. All weapons must be locked in an approved gun safe and ammo locked in another safe, a distance apart. If, as a licensed gun owner, you used your gun to defend yourself, you would be in deep dodos as by the time you got the weapon from the safe and ammo from the other safe, you could have called the cops or told the intruder to leave, and if he did not leave, tell him to leave again.
The Australian situation is we have no castle doctrine. We can only use reasonable force to defend our self's. We don't have the right to bear arms and I'm glad we don't have that right. I believe the main cause of death on males under 30 is gun shot wounds (please correct me if I'm wrong) then something is wrong.
I also believe that we should have the right to defend our property from intruders. The law says that we may only use reasonable force to defend ourselves against an intruder. We cant shoot them, hit them with a baseball bat, unless we are being attacked. All we can do is to ask the to leave and call the police. If an intruder falls over because one of your kids left a toy out, in law, the intruder could sue your public liability insurance.
Having been the victim of a home invasion where I had to defend my self and the intruder was injured, due to him running into a door jam, five times, I find that intruders tend to be very uncoordinated hence the running into the door jam again and again, the fact that my hand was holding the back of his head had nothing to do with it.
I have trouble with the right to bear arms; it may have been great when it was introduced, but seeing as it's part of the US constitution it will be almost impossible to remove.
The bottom line is, as an Australian I have no right telling the people of the US how to run your lives or Govt, the above is purely an observation and an opinion.
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Buy the ticket, take the ride.
I implore you to show me where you can buy 7.62x39 at 17 cents a round. Unless you are talking about prices 2 years ago, 17 cents a round is not to be found.well, if you're using AK-47 ammo is not that expensive 17 cents per round while .50 cal is about 3-3.5 bucks per round... I know, not the best accuracy but economy forces me to downsize my calibers...
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson
I don't think much more needs to be said.
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As I have read and understand Tony Martin's story what he did should have still been legal. He did UK society a favor.
I'm gonna feel like hell the next day, but I'll shoot to wound or kill, whatever it takes to protect my family and myself, even my neighbors or a stranger in mortal danger from an attacker. I would hope that I'll be intelligent about it and not shoot if there is another way to subdue the intruder.
Hey, I don't even own a gun.
I do have 3-foot piece of 4 gauge electrical cable, which will put a hurt on anyone, an aluminum baseball bat, a Paslode gas framing nailer, and some new Cutco knives. I think I am in trouble.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
Is 4 ga too big? I'd think that 6 ga might be a better balance between mass and swing speedI'm gonna feel like hell the next day, but I'll shoot to wound or kill, whatever it takes to protect my family and myself, even my neighbors or a stranger in mortal danger from an attacker. I would hope that I'll be intelligent about it and not shoot if there is another way to subdue the intruder.
Hey, I don't even own a gun.
I do have 3-foot piece of 4 gauge electrical cable, which will put a hurt on anyone, an aluminum baseball bat, a Paslode gas framing nailer, and some new Cutco knives. I think I am in trouble.) Also, I see that you're no traditionalist having traded in a nice Hickory or Ash Louisville slugger. Lastly, why not just do the job the old-fashioned, Tanya Harding way, and get the tire iron out
"So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
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