Chinese 9mm police revolver

**gunnut** · 02 Jul 09,, 05:52

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This is pretty interesting. I wonder why they would move from Makarov to a revolver.

**middle earth** · 02 Jul 09,, 06:32

The original consideration is a revolver bullet has less penetration to avoid hitting another one, and in case of a dud, the shooter can go directly to the next firing, citing some cases policemen were killed or wounded while unloading the pistol.

**Kalvan** · 02 Jul 09,, 20:17

Interesting. Looks like it's got a manually applied safety just above the cylinder release latch.

**gunnut** · 02 Jul 09,, 22:27

Originally Posted by Kalvan

Interesting. Looks like it's got a manually applied safety just above the cylinder release latch.

Yes it does. I am not aware of any other modern removers with a manual safety.

The gun uses 9mm rimmed rounds. Supposedly much tamer than the standard 9mm Para.

The link doesn't have anything in it other than pictures and some readers chiming in. The posts by the readers have strange grammar. Almost like from Hong Kong.

**Kalvan** · 03 Jul 09,, 02:29

I am not aware of any other modern removers with a manual safety.

I've seen them on some inexpensive imported single-action .22 revolvers. Essentially they rotate up and block the hammer from coming forward.

The gun uses 9mm rimmed rounds. Supposedly much tamer than the standard 9mm Para.

I'd guess they are some sort of takeoff on 9x18mm Makarov. A Makarov Auto-Rim as it were.

**Blue** · 03 Jul 09,, 06:00

OK GN. I'd love to read that whole thing but....... So is there one in english or a translation. Dumb question perhaps, but can you read that?

Because that would be really cool!

**captain** · 03 Jul 09,, 13:50

Hey Gunnut,

Notice anything strange about a couple of those photos?

Have a look at the 3rd photo down on the link you posted and at the photo of the nickel one.

The first photo shows considerable light space between the chamber and the top strap and the nickel one seems the same even allowing that the chamber is revolving past the indents into lockup.
With the trigger in the forward position, there should not be that amount of space between the strap and chamber and should appear to align with the barrell.

How the hell does it index and align with the forcing cone like that?

Cheers.

**cadpipe** · 03 Jul 09,, 14:25

Originally Posted by captain

Hey Gunnut,

Notice anything strange about a couple of those photos?

Have a look at the 3rd photo down on the link you posted and at the photo of the nickel one.

The first photo shows considerable light space between the chamber and the top strap and the nickel one seems the same even allowing that the chamber is revolving past the indents into lockup.
With the trigger in the forward position, there should not be that amount of space between the strap and chamber and should appear to align with the barrell.

How the hell does it index and align with the forcing cone like that?

Cheers.

Optical illusion, I think, The light you are seeing in the 3rd photo is light reflecting off the cylinder, looked at the photos with magnification and everyting looks as it should be. At least to my untrained eye.

**captain** · 03 Jul 09,, 15:23

Originally Posted by cadpipe

Optical illusion, I think, The light you are seeing in the 3rd photo is light reflecting off the cylinder, looked at the photos with magnification and everyting looks as it should be. At least to my untrained eye.

Yes, I wondered that, cant find my reading specs!

Cheers.

**gunnut** · 03 Jul 09,, 23:37

Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

OK GN. I'd love to read that whole thing but....... So is there one in english or a translation. Dumb question perhaps, but can you read that?

Because that would be really cool!

There is actually no accompanying article talking about this revolver or the context in which the photographs were taken. Most of the stuff on the top and on the side are ads. The stuff at the bottom are readers' reactions. I can read some of those since they are written in simplified characters. I can guess some of them based on the context.

**gunnut** · 03 Jul 09,, 23:41

Originally Posted by captain

Hey Gunnut,

Notice anything strange about a couple of those photos?

Have a look at the 3rd photo down on the link you posted and at the photo of the nickel one.

The first photo shows considerable light space between the chamber and the top strap and the nickel one seems the same even allowing that the chamber is revolving past the indents into lockup.
With the trigger in the forward position, there should not be that amount of space between the strap and chamber and should appear to align with the barrell.

How the hell does it index and align with the forcing cone like that?

Cheers.

I think that's the light reflecting off the fluting of the cylinder in the 3rd photo.

I don't think any of them is finished in nickel. Could be a dull parkerized/phosphate finish that appears to be grey rather than black.

Ah...I see cadpipe had already addressed your question.

**toemag** · 04 Jul 09,, 05:03

WTF, why do I have BS going through my mind having just visited the link and read what has already been posted. Everyone knows that cop's are cool and want the latest newest most highly advanced equipment at their disposal.

This revolver is not Gucci kit, and neither was the pistol that it may be replacing, but at least the pistol was a tried an tested weapon, millions have been produced all over the world for one reason or another, that will get the job done in 99,999999999999999999999999999999999%. As to the few who were killed or injured due to stoppages at an in opportune moment, sh!t happens, Murphy strikes again, and I'll place bet's that the reason for them stoppages were down to human error, either on the maintenance or handling drills.

Tony

**roffelskates** · 04 Jul 09,, 12:03

This is what happens when your government can't afford fancy Austrian or Swiss pistols. The get lower quality ones that jam and don't work properly, and downgrade to revolvers.

**gunnut** · 05 Jul 09,, 21:26

Originally Posted by roffelskates

This is what happens when your government can't afford fancy Austrian or Swiss pistols. The get lower quality ones that jam and don't work properly, and downgrade to revolvers.

Actually Maks are very serviceable and by far not crude pistols. They aren't Glocks or HKs, but they are not junk either.

Revolvers are easier to operate and require less training. To the Chinese, who aren't familiar with guns like the Americans, something simple is desired.

**Triple C** · 06 Jul 09,, 07:19

Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

OK GN. I'd love to read that whole thing but....... So is there one in english or a translation. Dumb question perhaps, but can you read that?

I can read it, but there isn't much to translate except ooh's and aah's. There is no information about the mechanics of the weapon, just comments on the pics.

I am not buying the reason for replacing automatic pistols. It is easier to use, yes. But adopting it because you don't want to do a misfire drill? Ideally, people should be trained to rack the slide of their pistol for duds like it's second nature. On a side note, Taiwan abandoned revolvers for a similarly absurd reason--it takes longer to fire a unloaded, safety-off automatic pistol in case the criminal grabbed the officer's gun.

If they are that close, they should have been cuffed--if they are that dangerous, they should have been shot.