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Reply With QuoteAre those your handloads?Originally Posted by gunnut
Can you find lighter bullets in the right calibre gunnut? Using a lighter pointed bullet should get you higher projectile speeds for at least a short distance while creating less recoil, and still approximate the handeling of the gun.
Are those your handloads?
Might want to be careful with underloading the cartridges; in extreme cases you may get a bullet lodged in the barrel! :/
"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man
That's what I was thinking. But I only have 158 gr SWC on hand to experiment with. I will try 125 gr bullets next. Weird thing is both being copper plated, the 125 gr bullets are more expensive than 158 gr bullets. You figure something that uses 25% less material and being generally the same shape would be cheaper...
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Yes they are. I followed the load data from Hodgdon site, using 2.2 gr of HP38 to drive a 158 gr bullet. The load was for 148 gr bullet in a 38 S&W. Normally you lighten the charge to drive a heavier bullet. I kept the charge more or less the same.Are those your handloads?
Last week I had a handful of rounds loaded with the same type of bullets, but with 2.5 gr of HP38. The recoil was more noticeable and I didn't see any rips or tears in the target. But I figure that could be at the upper limit of what this 80 year old design could handle. So I lightened the load.
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
Nah...if the same 158 gr bullet can be driven out a 5" barrel from the Webley using 2.2 gr of the same powder, I should have no problem driving that bullet out a 2.5" barrel using 3.3 gr of powder.
It actually doesn't take that much to drive a bullet. There's a 22 LR round that contains only the primer and no powder. The primer alone is enough to drive that 20 gr bullet out a barrel. Since it contains no powder charge, it's not even classified as "ammunition.")
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
True, but you still have to account for the tolerance of the bullet being off. It'd be a long shot, but you never know!
"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man
Jesus, what about the recoil?I think one of these would be awesome as a PDW! The fun factor is right up there. If I ever have 1500 bucks just burnin a hole in my pocket, I would do it!
All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
Not any worse than my .45 or a stout .357 round!Jesus, what about the recoil?
I tell ya guys, everyone that has shot an XCR says the recoil is way less than any other .223. I freakin wish I could find one to shoot before I buy one. Better yet, I wish I could find a buyer for my Olympic AR so I could go buy an XCR.
That's one hell of a pocket cannon.
All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
Sniper:Not any worse than my .45 or a stout .357 round!
I tell ya guys, everyone that has shot an XCR says the recoil is way less than any other .223. I freakin wish I could find one to shoot before I buy one. Better yet, I wish I could find a buyer for my Olympic AR so I could go buy an XCR.
Now, that's an interesting on-topic topic. That is: Subjective recoil & how it affects shooting. Might even explain why I still take my M15 out rather than my M19.
My subjective feeling is that .45acp has a comfortable bounce out of my Colt; that the recoil, while definitely there, is on the fun side of the equation & is subjectively disregarded. My little .357 has a muzzle blast that dents my cheeks & has a much higher-pitched report, both of which I now realize that I find unpleasant. The .38 doesn't have much of a kick or muzzle blast at all in comparison to either, & I don't really notice the report, even with +P+ rounds. The .45 Colt is fun to shoot. My .44mag kicks, & the muzzle blast is prominent, but the pitch of the report is much lower than that of the .357. It's not ultrapleasant to shoot, but not as bad as the .357. I always wear earmuffs at the range, but never out in the weeds. I wonder if I might be in some "pre-high-frequency-hearing-loss" stage, or have an unusual sensitivity to the high-frequency component of the report. Never had trouble with any rifle or shotgun, or with any of my "nines."
Any thoughts, O thou diagnosticians?
Prof
Absolutely! Before you go deaf.....Walker's Hearing Enhancement and Protection
There are a few other affordable but effective brands out there as well. Howard Leight makes some good stuff too. Pay attention to the NRR(noise reduction rating) I like to stay above 20 though many electronic ones that allow normal or enhanced hearing usually have 18 or 19. Higher the better.
A lot has to do with barrel length. For example, a Mosin-Nagant M44 is MUCH louder and uncomfortable to shoot than the M91/30, which has a full-length barrel. Obviously muzzle velocity is a part of the equation as well, in addition to muzzle breaks and compensators.
Unfortunately, I somewhat damaged the hearing in my left ear after three shots from a G3 clone without hearing protection. I honestly couldn't hear out of it for two days.
"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man
Reading the early post brings one question: What's American law enforcement's policy for 911 calls when there is no response from the caller?
All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
In every jurisdiction I have worked or dealt with, a 911 call that is still connected but the caller is unresponsive or where the dispatcher is not convinced there is not an emergency(hostage duress perhaps), police are dispatched until they can verify the situation as legit or false.
Landline ph#s are easily tracked. Most cell phones now have a GPS funtion that allows the phone to be located more easily. Most have the option of turning this feature off or on.
I have mine on always as I have instructed my family to have thiers on as well. I also instructed my wife and daughter that if they found themselves in an abduction situation or one where if the perp noticed them calling would take the phone away, to simply dial 911 and put the phone in thier pocket. Most likely the dispatcher will hear that the caller is under duress and track the phone while guiding in the troops. there have been quite a few rescues due to this tactic.
The caller literally has thier ordeal broadcast to the police while being
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