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    Assault Weapons Ban

    During the Clinton Administration, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 prohibited the sale of a certain types of semi-automatic weapons classified as "assault weapons." This legislation had a sunset provision where it would expire in 10 years if not renewed. Barack Obama, as part of his campaign agenda, said that he wished to re-introduce legislation to permanently ban the sale and possession of assault weapons to civilians.

    Do you support an assault weapons ban being re-enacted for civilians in the United States that would prohibit sale and ownership of semi-automatic assault weapons?

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    Assault weapons are meant to kill soldiers.

    They do not belong in the hands of civilians, period.
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    Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens actually discourage crime.

    But "too bad, use a sharpened pencil instead" is what the new president is moving towards huh?

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    I can see the need for pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles. I cannot see why a civilian would need assault rifles, machineguns, or any other high end infantry hardware except possibly for security operations in some specific cases. Otherwise, such weapons should be reserved for only the military and law enforcement.
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    Regulated would be acceptable. I do not support the BAN.

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    True assault weapons have been banned since 1989. What the libs want to ban is anything that looks scary. They have nothing to do with crime. They want to ban 50 cal rifles too. When was the last time a punk hauled a 50 cal rifle to hold up a bank or a convenient store?
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    The intelligence behind these bans is clearly exhibited by what they use to define "an assult weapon". One example is an AR-15 with a bayonet lug is considered one but if the lug is ground off, it is OK. You guys wouldn't believe him many 7-11's are robbed in Florida with people brandishing a rifle with a bayonet on it. Give me a break.

    What I find MUCH MORE disturbing is the lack of requirements for a concealed weapons carry permit. If you REALLY want to get scarred, stand outside the Concealed carry classes they have at the gun shows and watch the low life that come out and NOW can apply for a permit. Scary S..T!!!!

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    Besides the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and various state constitutions, this ban would violate the legislative restrictions imposed in the US Constitution. While some claim that it is authorized under the commerce clause, you would really have to stretch the definition of "interstate commerce" to give it the aura of legitimacy. The US Constitution is supposed to limit the kinds of laws that congress can pass, but unfortunately most legislators ignore the constitution completely instead of honoring their oath to support and defend it. If you don't know what I'm talking about, get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.

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    The AWB did nothing to control crime, there are several documents that show most crimes are commited with pistols. Banning assault rifles is about goverment control of the people not controlling crime.

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    This is a very loaded question. Unfortunately this "ban" does not deter criminals from obtaining "assault" weapons. Now while I feel that the average citizen has no need for an assault weapon the problem is that certain semi-automatic shotguns are banned by that bill. Because of that fact I have to vote no because the bill has nothing to do with true assault weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    Assault weapons are meant to kill soldiers.

    They do not belong in the hands of civilians, period.
    All weapons are meant to kill something or somebody. The real argument is where to draw the line about how easy it should be for some.

    The devil is in the details about what an "assault" weapon really is, and who we want to have them, or not.

    What if those civilians need to kill soldiers?

    April 20, 1775

    BOSTON -- National guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of
    recently banned assault rifles were ambushed on April 19th by
    elements of a paramilitary extremist faction. Military and law
    enforcement officials estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200
    injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

    Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared
    that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has
    links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement.

    Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed
    against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the
    group's organizers as "criminals," issued an executive order
    authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered
    with the government's efforts to secure law and order.

    The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed widespread
    refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault
    weapons. Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and
    ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting
    earlier this month between government and military leaders at which
    the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.

    One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed
    out that "none of these people would have been killed had the
    extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily."

    Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply
    of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to
    seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from
    heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped-off regarding the
    government's plan.

    During a tense standoff in Lexington's town park, National Guard
    Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered
    the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse
    was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the
    right-wing extremists.

    Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange. Ironically, the
    local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists
    for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed
    citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units.
    Colonel Smith, finding his forces overmatched by the armed mob,
    ordered a retreat.

    Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national
    joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor
    has also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and
    leading the attack against the government forces. Samuel Adams, Paul
    Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as "ringleaders"
    of the extremist faction, remain at large.
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    WASHINGTON - While it is an article of faith among gun-control proponents
    that government restrictions on firearms reduces violence and crime, two new
    U.S. studies could find no evidence to support such a conclusion.

    The National Academy of Sciences issued a 328-page report based on 253
    journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80
    different gun-control laws and some of its own independent study. In short,
    the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower
    rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns.

    The panel was established during the Clinton administration and all but one
    of its members were known to favor gun control.

    "Policy questions related to gun ownership and proposals for gun control
    touch on some of the most contentious issues in American politics: Should
    regulations restrict who may possess firearms? Should there be restrictions
    on the number or types of guns that can be purchased? Should safety locks be
    required? These and many related policy questions cannot be answered
    definitively because of large gaps in the existing science base," said
    Charles F. Wellford, professor in the department of criminology and criminal
    justice at the University of Maryland and chairman of the committee that
    wrote the report.

    However, the National Research Council decided even more thorough research
    on the topic is needed. Many studies linking guns to suicide and criminal violence produce conflicting conclusions, have statistical flaws and often do not show whether gun ownership results in certain outcomes, the report said.

    A serious limit in such analyses is the lack of good data on who owns
    firearms and on individual encounters with violence, according to the study.

    The report noted that many schools have programs intended to prevent gun
    violence. However, it added, some studies suggest that children's curiosity
    and teenagers' attraction to risk make them resistant to the programs or
    that the projects actually increase the appeal of guns.

    Few of these programs, the report concludes, have been adequately evaluated. The report calls for the development of a National Violent Death Reporting System and a National Incident-Based Reporting System to begin collecting data.

    The study by the Research Council, the operating arm of the National Academy of Science, was sponsored by the National Institute of Justice, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Joyce Foundation, Annie E. Casey Foundation and the David and Lucile Packard Foundation.

    "While more research is always helpful, the notion that we have learned
    nothing flies in the face of common sense," said John Lott, resident scholar
    at the American Enterprise Institute and a critic of gun-control laws. "The
    NAS panel should have concluded as the existing research has: Gun control
    doesn't help."

    Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.

    The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail
    outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through
    means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews
    with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It
    found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from
    friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.

    Less than 9 percent were bought at retail outlets and only seven-tenths of 1
    percent came from gun shows. The Justice Department's interviews also showed so-called "assault weapons" are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban, signed into law by the Clinton administration in 1994
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    Fact: If someone comes into your home at night, while you are asleep, you won't wake up in time to reflex-beat them coming through your bedroom door, whether you have a portable handcannon or a teddy bear under your pillow. Put a lock on that door and reinforce the frames and windows as well as installing an alarm system to blare out the intrusion and the bad guys have to face the reality of a roadblock ahead of them and cops on their way. Panic Rooms work, when they are inherent to the design of a home as where you are at your most vulnerable rather than a point of hoped-for-flight.

    Fact: This nation does not exist on the strength of it's militia but of it's Constitution. The proof of which is that there is so much wrong with our existence that only a full up Constitutional Convention will save this nation from the dire straits it is now in and no assault weapon ownership will bring us that salvation because the people in power would sabotage it, politically and covertly, long before it could become a matter of arms.

    Fact: If it ever came down to Minute Men vs. our own Government on such things as illegal immigrants (which will come to represent the 90th percentile of crime if the 'open borders' issue is ever made real instead of defacto) they would come for those with registered weapons first and anyone caught with an unregistered gun would automatically be subject to 'extreme prejudice', just for having it.

    Fact: You cannot beat UAVs and SWAT team or better mass military tactics with autofire weapons. The Iraqis have tried and died, failing. IEDs and other Destructive Devices are already worth a life sentence or the needle so these are beyond the sphere of valid argument.

    Fact: 'If you make gun ownership criminal, only the criminals will own them' may well be true. But if gun ownership is an instantaneous 20-25 year offense ontop of whatever other reason you are pulled over or frisked on the street, it will be a lot more likely to put criminals into an environment where the ability to BUY a weapon is less than simple. Because the cops like their prisons safe for career purposes. This is particularly true when you consider that RFID is the new 'people GPS' and will make movements by individuals carrying a simple drivers license 100% trackable. 'Or you get another 5 years for trying to decieve the system'. If you approach a known gun dealer. Visit a bar in a bad part of town or otherwise do something which could bring you into contact with a firearm, you will be stopped for 'traffic violation' and caught.

    CONCLUSION:
    I mention the above in relation to one thing: We are beyond the tipping point on saving this nation. The social engineers and capitalist monsters will disenfranchise the resident population by effectively taking away any useful job that would give them financial as political power and then import massive numbers of immigrants through the coming trans-America trade corridor and NAU 'agreements' to effectively isolate us in a sea of strangeness. If that seems as abhorrent to you as it does to me, then consider the alternative which is the Balkanization of this country into ethnic, class and religious defined enclaves as the likeliest alternative to losing everything we once had over the rest of the (feudal Europe) first world on the way to becoming a /third world/ nation of our own.

    That is the kind of environment for which an _absence of law_ (and national military force to ensure it's peace during states of emergency) as much as it's excess, would require us to own and be competent in the use of assault weapons. On a semi-professional volunteer or conscription basis.

    Americans are too stupid to see what they fight for 'the right to bear arms' over is no better than the Big Brother institutionalized socialism that they fear they will lose to if they give up their toys. And having been bred to trust 'the system' as the only means of real change they have no real independent ability to disavow those who would take us to either extreme by replacing their warped vision with a new one, chockablock.


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    Obama may find it hard to get it passed the last ban caused some senators and congressmen to lose their jobs when election time came around. Not to mention the fact that the ban had no real effect on crime. The criminals will still be able to get them. I am a American living in Mexico where guns are banned and their are plenty of guns available here for the bad guys. And contrary to what some people would have you believe most of the automatic weapons come from central and south America not the U.S.

    However to be fair most of the pistols do come from the U.S. the locals here are sitting ducks for the bad guys. I think most democrats have learned their lesson from the last go around and will not support a ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas1016 View Post
    Obama may find it hard to get it passed the last ban caused some senators and congressmen to lose their jobs when election time came around. Not to mention the fact that the ban had no real effect on crime. The criminals will still be able to get them. I am a American living in Mexico where guns are banned and their are plenty of guns available here for the bad guys. And contrary to what some people would have you believe most of the automatic weapons come from central and south America not the U.S.

    However to be fair most of the pistols do come from the U.S. the locals here are sitting ducks for the bad guys. I think most democrats have learned their lesson from the last go around and will not support a ban.
    Again, we may find out just how much a "say anything to get elected" politician Obama really is. So far he has reneged on every single promise he made to the far left. He may just play the left and string them along for their votes while he solidifies his support from the middle.
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    I would not support a ban in any way.
    I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy nutjob, but when does it end? What would be next on the list to be banned?

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