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    Quote Originally Posted by omon View Post
    yea, clintons ban, sure lowered the crime rate, NOT.
    just like war on drugs, didn,t take any drugs off the streets
    True.

    It sounds like the beginning of our bi-annual legalize marijuana/drugs debate. I've been looking forward to it, someone make a thread.
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    With over 200 million guns in the USA, the point is almost moot. And it's too politically radioactive to pull off at this time. I'm more worried about an "asymetrical" legislation such as banning magazines or high taxes on ammo.

    p.s. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy!

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    As a former Infantry NCO, I have read and believe this;

    Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
    ---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

    During the Massachusetts ratifying convention William Symmes warned that the new government at some point "shall be too firmly fixed in the saddle to be overthrown by anything but a general insurrection." Yet fears of standing armies were groundless, affirmed Theodore Sedwick, who queried, "if raised, whether they could subdue a nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty, and who have arms in their hands?"
    [W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
    ---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    The Virginia ratifying convention met from June 2 through June 26, 1788. Edmund Pendleton, opponent of a bill of rights, weakly argued that abuse of power could be remedied by recalling the delegated powers in a convention. Patrick Henry shot back that the power to resist oppression rests upon the right to possess arms:
    Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.

    Henry sneered,
    O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone...Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation...inflicted by those who had no power at all?
    More quotes from the Virginia convention:
    [W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor...
    ---George Mason


    "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
    George Mason
    Co-author of the Second Amendment
    during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

    "The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
    Patrick Henry
    American Patriot


    "The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
    Thomas Jefferson
    Third President of the United States


    "The ruling class doesn't care about public safety. Having made it very difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having left ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as best they can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame us and our guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an honest mistake."
    Malcolm Wallop
    former U.S. Sen. (R-WY)

    By statutory definition, the National Guard is "that part of the organized militia of the several States" that is "armed ... wholly or partly at Federal expense" and "is federally recognized."[319] "In addition to its National Guard, if any, a State ... may, as provided by its laws, organize and maintain defense forces."[320] The U.S. Government issues arms to the National Guard, but not to the states' defense forces.[321] "So far as practicable, the same types of ... arms ... as are issued to the Army shall be issued to the Army National Guard ...."[322]
    The availability of uniform arms to a portion of the state militias pursuant to the National Defense Act of 1916 greatly enhanced defense capabilities. As explained in Maryland for the Use of Levin v. United States:[323]
    From the days of the Minutemen of Lexington and Concord until just before World War I, the various militias embodied the concept of a citizen army, but lacked the equipment and training necessary for their use as an integral part of the reserve force of the United States Armed Forces .... Pursuant to power vested in Congress by the Constitution [Art. I, section 8], the Guard was to be uniformed, equipped, and trained in much the same way as the regular army, subject to federal standards and capable of being "federalized" by units, rather than by drafting individual soldiers. In return, Congress authorized the allocation of federal equipment to the Guard ....[324]
    The states are entitled to require members of their defense forces and reserve militias to provide themselves with the same arms which are used by the National Guard. The ideal of a uniformity of arms for all militia members has been recognized since the Constitution was framed.
    Based on the above, Congress has no power to prohibit possession of such militia arms as the states are entitled to require that its citizens or a part thereof furnish themselves with and keep in their homes. The states' concurrent power to organize and provide for arming their militias is a reserved power which (p.204)federal legislation may not contradict.

    There is every indication that the Founding Fathers would have been horrified at what they are trying to do now. Banning weapons will do nothing, only make law abiding citizens criminals. There are too many laws on the books now that are not enforced.


    And YES I do fear a goverment that believes what Sara Brady wrote below and her latest quote since Obama won, "We haven't had it this good in a long time"



    "Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
    Sara Brady
    Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
    The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
    Death Sanctions All Mistakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    But converting a semi-auto to full-auto is already illegal. There are strict laws against that.

    Banning semi-autos won't stop determined people from manufacturing their own full-autos like the grease gun or STEN or even a Mac10. Some tubes, a few machined parts, a book from the library, and there you go.

    Of course I'm talking sense here. Gun-grabbers don't have any common sense.
    You and I know this, but there are many uninformed people who would listen to the gun grabber's lies often enough to go, "Yeah. That makes sense", and we all end up losing our rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    You and I know this, but there are many uninformed people who would listen to the gun grabber's lies often enough to go, "Yeah. That makes sense", and we all end up losing our rights.
    How very true. And since it is impossible to legislate common sense, we are forever stuck with more senseless legislation by senseless legislators propagated by the ignorance of many.

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    Come on 7thsfsniper don't you know yet if the MSM says it it is written in stone and handed down through Abraham

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    This is also an "assault weapon"

    pistol grip: check
    semi auto: check
    magazine fed: check
    bayonet: check
    Where do I get the bayonet to install on my S&W M&P .45 cal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOgershok View Post
    Where do I get the bayonet to install on my S&W M&P .45 cal?
    http://www.laserlyte.com/New_Products/New_PB_1.html

    Not bad for $40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    That is too cooooool

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    Gunnut I have to say that is one of the more interesting things I have seen.

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    Very neat .


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    I was hoping for a serrated version so I can carve my steak and defend against zombies at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I was hoping for a serrated version so I can carve my steak and defend against zombies at the same time.
    Just no pleasing some people

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I was hoping for a serrated version so I can carve my steak and defend against zombies at the same time.
    That could be a fatal error.

    Having participated in extensive testing of various kinds of knives against various kinds of meat, clothed and unclothed, I can report that serrated blades have a "hitch" in the slicing motion at each serration, and are both slower to complete a defensive cut, and more difficult to withdraw.

    So cut your meat with a serrated knife, but use a plain edge on the zombies. Or, you could just keep a titanium crowbar at hand for head bashing. You know, that titanium makes it so light you feel like you could cave in zombie heads all day.

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    Here's the text of the Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...03CVuam:e7701:

    Apparently my 25-round .22 LR clip passes the test, and .22 is the only caliber in which magazines with greater than 10 round capacity are permitted.
    `(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but

    `(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.'.

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