Thread: M9 days Numbered?

Originally Posted by Sinfulcurves_AK

http://www.sigarms.com/news/index.as...y=detail&id=72

Check this out, it's about SIG. I wouldn't go with the M9, after reading 2 extensive articles about 9mm VS .45ACP vs .357 SIG, etc etc... That pretty much changed my vision on 9mm. I personally want a SIG P229 (.357)

9mm is weak, I was once told that it vant even penetrate a car door muchless a bullet proof vest.

Im sure Beretta could make a .45 version of the M9

I would vastly prefer the .357 sig or the .40 over the nine. I also would rather have a sig over the barretta, though the barretta has done well. For whatever the change may be, I hope the decision will be made by combat veterans and not some bean counter sitting behind a desk playing "politics". Our troops are at a greater risk because some idiot put logistics above target effect when choosing the 9mm barretta. Nato is not the worlds police. Nor is the U.N. American military is bearing the lions share of the brunt and the risk. America should dictate the weapons and calibers used and the others should fall in line. Not vise versa.

Why can't, or why won't american manufacturers build a small arm that our army can use. M16s replaced by a european make troubles me, as is our use of barrettas. What's next? Is our next generation bomber going to be made by eurobus. Is Italy going to make our next generation tanks? Is iran or north korea going to make our next I.C.B.M.? This outsourcing has gotten way out of hand.

maybe I am asking the wrong question.
Why can't /won't a company like colt design and build a rifle that is on par with the fn hk,and other rifles being considered as replacements. Why can't/won.t a company like smith and wesson design and build a pistol that can compete with a sig, hk, glock, and berretta. During the last trials there was sig and barretta. Every one else was a distant third. Manufacturing used to be america's strength. Now is seemes the US can only put out second quality firearms, or manufactures firearms designed elswhere. I do not like this trend.

Originally Posted by bonehead

maybe I am asking the wrong question.
Why can't /won't a company like colt design and build a rifle that is on par with the fn hk,and other rifles being considered as replacements. Why can't/won.t a company like smith and wesson design and build a pistol that can compete with a sig, hk, glock, and berretta. During the last trials there was sig and barretta. Every one else was a distant third. Manufacturing used to be america's strength. Now is seemes the US can only put out second quality firearms, or manufactures firearms designed elswhere. I do not like this trend.

Cult has been under mismanagement for years and lacks the manufacturing capabilities ands interest to research and manufacture non M16 systems or extreme modifications to the M16.
smaller Companies in the Us Have been making systems that surpass them for years but they tend too lack the Manufacturing Capabilities and the Us military seems too lack interest due too the price tag involved, to name a few Bushmaster, Armalite and ZM weapons .
The M16's used by the Us Army and Marine corps Are made by more then Just Colt.
Fn, Armalite, Bushmaster and other corporations Have licensing agreements for the M16 & M4 weapons.

as for smith and wesson It's primary business has been Law enforcement and civilian.
In the last trials there were a large number of contenders at the start but a number of Mistakes and the Time the trials took place lead too a large number off weak choices. The us military has also had too suffer from civilian assault weapon bans which hamper innovation.
the infantry was looked last for any new gear. it still used the steel m1 helmets from ww2 till panama. the introduction of land warrior and FCS are the ARMY's attempt too try and get a chunk of the budgetary kill just like the rest of the forces

Anyways, for a good replacement in the next 20 years or so, I'm a fan of the FN Five-seveN.
The SS190 ammunition is great- good impact, great energy, armor penetrating capabilities, lethality, low recoil, and best of all, ULTRA-HIGH CAPACITY. One mag can hold 20 rounds.
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm

Originally Posted by Sinfulcurves_AK

FiveSeven is kinda interesting, as a pistol round, but would be a lot better off in a sub gun...

It is a sub machine gun round it's the same round they used in the FN P 90.

Originally Posted by Sinfulcurves_AK

Yep, I knew that... It just kinda seems useless having it in a pistol, when you can feed it to an SMG, enhanced performance, lethality, etc.

Also much bigger size and little concealability.

Originally Posted by sniperdude411

Also much bigger size and little concealability.

with the Proper fashion choices concealability is not as big a problem as you might think. But traditional pistol calibers will still be preferred After all .45 Will still Put some one down hard.