Thread: C-7A2: future of the M-16?

$1800Cdn per rifle - ain't cheap.

"with an optional enlarged front loop to accomodate an under-barrel M203A1 grenade launcher."

Sure didn't have those when i was in. Wonder what the difference is.

"M-4 style butstock and a full length barrel... probably be better then using cutdown M-4A1s for distance shooting..."

Agreed.

"Take an M-16A4 and do the same and you have an excellent rifle for regular infantry..."

That collapsable stock always struck me as a little flimsy for butt-stroking. Seems to work fine otherwise though...

I don't know but I think doing something like this and making an "M-16A5" would be a lot better then buying a totally new rifle. Giving it a collaspable but stock would make it more compact yet the full barrel would make it far more usefull to troops in areas like Afghanistan or the Desert compared to the M-4A1.

Well even at closer range the longer barrel is more effective because the projectile will have more velocity, probably about 100fps worth.

That probably means 6-8% better penetration and about 5% more kinetic energy allowing the projectile to more readily deform and yaw in tissue.

The longer barrel will also give you a few more inches of stand-off range with fixed bayonet.

These are all good things.

Of course, it's still a squirrel rifle regardless...

"Well even at closer range the longer barrel is more effective because the projectile will have more velocity, probably about 100fps worth."

True. In Afghanistan people were running around with M-4A1s which in some ways gave about the same range (250-300 or so meters if aimed) as the AK-47/AKM/Type-56s and less I think then the handful of AK-74s the Talibans were carrying around. I think the M-4A1 is not the best weapon for such long ranges as or troops found in Afghanistan and many times in Iraq.

Some sort of "M-16A5" would hit harder then an M-4, still be more compact then a M-16A4 and totally out range trashfire from AKs.

"Of course, it's still a squirrel rifle regardless..."

Oh of course but upgrading the current varmit gun is cheaper then buying a whole new type of varmit gun just too look sexy and to boost egos...

"Oh of course but upgrading the current varmit gun is cheaper then buying a whole new type of varmit gun just too look sexy and to boost egos..."

Agreed.

To switch from thinly velied G-36 insults....

I do think it kind of silly that the 10th mountain division is running around in the mountains with rather short ranged weapons (M-4A1s). I have read that M-4A1s are coming up rather "short" in Afghanistan. The M-16A2 has gotten pretty good reviews for accuracy. The fault people find is with length (go figure) take the best features and you get a good rifle.

I think in some ways a C-7A2 is taking the best of both worlds.

Back to the G-36....

Not like the DOD would try to do something like that seeing as it is not "sexy" nor revloutinary.... I don't care what they call the M-8 it is still the G-36 and offers pretty much nothing more then the M-16A4/M-4A1.

The Philippines uses plastic magazines on M-16A1s (!) and the M-8 program is bragging like that is truelly something special that the G-36 can use them as well. I saw them on TV acting like that was something new... the AUG also uses plastic mags as can the FAMAS-G2 and other rifles.

I've read and heard some stories about US troops with M-4A1s dropping Haji's in Afghanistan at 450 plus meters.

Guess it depends who you ask, but 450 should be do-able with the red dot optics they're all running around with now.

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

red dot optics they're all running around with now.

Sniper, could you educate me here. We don't have the various optics for rifles as you have (due to a stagnant civil arms industry).
How does a 'red dot optic' improve the aim of the firer, and till what range can a firer benifit from it? Is it a telescope thing?

Well with a variable intensity electronic sight you can get a very fine aiming point(the red dot) on the low power(illlumination) settings, much better than with standard peep or blade sights, and you obviously get a much clearer sight picture as well.

So it's helpful in a couple ways. They're great at night time too, when regular sights are useless.

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Well with a variable intensity electronic sight you can get a very fine aiming point(the red dot) on the low power(illlumination) settings, much better than with standard peep or blade sights, and you obviously get a much clearer sight picture as well.

So it's helpful in a couple ways. They're great at night time too, when regular sights are useless.

I would like to add onto that. With ironsights, you have to line-up three things to hit the target--front-sight, back-sight, and the target.
With a red-dot, youhave to line-up the target and the dot.

This translates into easier and quicker aiming, not to mention it's much easier to learn for the mentally-behind people. Also known as retards.

Originally Posted by sniperdude411

This translates into easier and quicker aiming, not to mention it's much easier to learn for the mentally-behind people. Also known as retards.

Why would someone allow a mentally challenged person to use a weapon?

Originally Posted by lemontree

Why would someone allow a mentally challenged person to use a weapon?

We were all mentally challenged. It's call recruit course or basic training.