$1800Cdn per rifle - ain't cheap.
Canadian Forces Rifle — the 5.56mm C7A2 ‘Mid-Life’ Upgrade
Mid-Life Crisis for the C7A1 – the ‘New’ C7A2 Upgrade
The CF’s C7 and C7A1 rifles are reaching that stage where they will soon require a major refurbishing. Prototypes for this mid-life program are now ungoing testing as the C7A2. Here a clarification is needed: C7A2s are not a replacement rifle. Rather, they are a rebuild and repair program taking the opportunity to incorporate some new features. Troops may prefer a shorter barrel better suited to mechanized infantry but fielded C7A2s will likely use existing barrels and the C79A2 sights.
C7A2 Data and Specifications
Role: Infantry Rifle/Personal Weapon
CF-ese: Rifle, Automatic, 5.56mm, C7A2
Translation: 3rd version of 5.56mm rifle
In Service: Prototypes / trials weapons
Origins: ‘Mid-Life’ upgrade for C7A1
Prototype C7A2s have been delivered and 50 trial versions are following – some of which (left) are to undergo operational testing with the Vandoos in Afghanistan. Such tests will help define the final configuration. Currently, the accepted C7A2 features are as follows: a full-length (ie: 50cm) C7 barrel, a C8-style 4-position telescoping butt-stock, an Elcan C79A2 optical sight, camouflage-coloured plastic furniture (rather than the original black), a rail system (Picatinny TRIAD) near the foresight to mount sighting aids*, ambidextrous latches and other minor mechanical improvements**, and a new, longer sling (in CADPAT camouflage rather than black) with an optional enlarged front loop to accomodate an under-barrel M203A1 grenade launcher. No doubt, the trials will result in detail changes to the components which make up the service-issue C7A2. Some difficulties can be anticipated. C8-style butt-stocks better suit body armour but rail-mounted kit will make the C7A2 muzzle-heavy.
* These rail mounts consist of a cruciform-sectioned clamp which attaches around the gunbarrel. Such systems have already been fitted to C7/C8s allowing these weapons to mount tactical lights and laser pointers. A downside is weight near the muzzle throwing off balance.
** Trials C7A2s will have ambidextrous fire-control selectors, charging handles (allowing charging with winter mitts), and Ambi-Catch™ magazine releases. Ambidextrous fittings permit the use of weapons with whichever hand is free – useful in built-up areas and vehicles.
M-4 style butstock and a full length barrel... probably be better then using cutdown M-4A1s for distance shooting...
Take an M-16A4 and do the same and you have an excellent rifle for regular infantry...
$1800Cdn per rifle - ain't cheap.
"with an optional enlarged front loop to accomodate an under-barrel M203A1 grenade launcher."
Sure didn't have those when i was in. Wonder what the difference is.
"M-4 style butstock and a full length barrel... probably be better then using cutdown M-4A1s for distance shooting..."
"Take an M-16A4 and do the same and you have an excellent rifle for regular infantry..."
That collapsable stock always struck me as a little flimsy for butt-stroking. Seems to work fine otherwise though...
I don't know but I think doing something like this and making an "M-16A5" would be a lot better then buying a totally new rifle. Giving it a collaspable but stock would make it more compact yet the full barrel would make it far more usefull to troops in areas like Afghanistan or the Desert compared to the M-4A1.
Well even at closer range the longer barrel is more effective because the projectile will have more velocity, probably about 100fps worth.
That probably means 6-8% better penetration and about 5% more kinetic energy allowing the projectile to more readily deform and yaw in tissue.
The longer barrel will also give you a few more inches of stand-off range with fixed bayonet.
These are all good things.
Of course, it's still a squirrel rifle regardless...
Last edited by Bill; 27 Jan 05, at 22:10.
"Well even at closer range the longer barrel is more effective because the projectile will have more velocity, probably about 100fps worth."
True. In Afghanistan people were running around with M-4A1s which in some ways gave about the same range (250-300 or so meters if aimed) as the AK-47/AKM/Type-56s and less I think then the handful of AK-74s the Talibans were carrying around. I think the M-4A1 is not the best weapon for such long ranges as or troops found in Afghanistan and many times in Iraq.
Some sort of "M-16A5" would hit harder then an M-4, still be more compact then a M-16A4 and totally out range trashfire from AKs.
"Of course, it's still a squirrel rifle regardless..."
Oh of course but upgrading the current varmit gun is cheaper then buying a whole new type of varmit gun just too look sexy and to boost egos...
"Oh of course but upgrading the current varmit gun is cheaper then buying a whole new type of varmit gun just too look sexy and to boost egos..."
To switch from thinly velied G-36 insults....
I do think it kind of silly that the 10th mountain division is running around in the mountains with rather short ranged weapons (M-4A1s). I have read that M-4A1s are coming up rather "short" in Afghanistan. The M-16A2 has gotten pretty good reviews for accuracy. The fault people find is with length (go figure) take the best features and you get a good rifle.
I think in some ways a C-7A2 is taking the best of both worlds.
Back to the G-36....
Not like the DOD would try to do something like that seeing as it is not "sexy" nor revloutinary.... I don't care what they call the M-8 it is still the G-36 and offers pretty much nothing more then the M-16A4/M-4A1.
The Philippines uses plastic magazines on M-16A1s (!) and the M-8 program is bragging like that is truelly something special that the G-36 can use them as well. I saw them on TV acting like that was something new... the AUG also uses plastic mags as can the FAMAS-G2 and other rifles.
I've read and heard some stories about US troops with M-4A1s dropping Haji's in Afghanistan at 450 plus meters.
Guess it depends who you ask, but 450 should be do-able with the red dot optics they're all running around with now.
Sniper, could you educate me here. We don't have the various optics for rifles as you have (due to a stagnant civil arms industry).Originally Posted by M21Sniper
How does a 'red dot optic' improve the aim of the firer, and till what range can a firer benifit from it? Is it a telescope thing?
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Well with a variable intensity electronic sight you can get a very fine aiming point(the red dot) on the low power(illlumination) settings, much better than with standard peep or blade sights, and you obviously get a much clearer sight picture as well.
So it's helpful in a couple ways. They're great at night time too, when regular sights are useless.
I would like to add onto that. With ironsights, you have to line-up three things to hit the target--front-sight, back-sight, and the target.Originally Posted by M21Sniper
With a red-dot, youhave to line-up the target and the dot.
This translates into easier and quicker aiming, not to mention it's much easier to learn for the mentally-behind people. Also known as retards.
Why would someone allow a mentally challenged person to use a weapon?Originally Posted by sniperdude411
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We were all mentally challenged. It's call recruit course or basic training.Originally Posted by lemontree
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