omon

ak will go thru steel rail,done it my self several times, same thing with sinderblock wall, imagine how many sheetrock walls, and plywood floors it can go thru, and mauser even more powerfull,
it isn,t fun to buy 40 rouns for $20, of 7,62x39, but a brick of 500 of .22 for the same money sure is much better. and mauser, i,d like to see if you still wanna shoot it after 100 rounds.
and things you can do with 10\22, no other gun can offer that.
for home defence either handgun, or a shotgun, whoever uses full size round or assult rifle for that should be banned from having guns. imo.

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GraniteForge

If by that you mean ".357 mag will shoot a hole in a typical residential wall that is roughly 357/1000 of an inch in diameter, just like a .38 S&W Special," then you're correct.

maximusslade

*groan* Ok I'll just say that I wont use a .357 mag cause I think it has too much penetration. That is my opinion.

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7thsfsniper

Ok, here's what you do. Buy a Shotgun News. close your eyes, open up the Shotgun News to a random page. Smack your pointy finger down somewhere on the page. Open your eyes and choose the closest gun. My point ........What gun isn't fun?!

But seriously. .22 rimfire is cheap and fun and the guns that shoot it are usually affordable. Also I don't what kind of larger guns you have(if any) but many military style weapons have .22 cal conversion kits so you may practice with the same weapon using less expensive ammo.

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gunnut

I think 357 mag has "enough" penetration for general use.

A 158gr bullet out of a 6" revolver barrel will get you around 1400'/s. Same bullet will get you roughly 1800'/s out of a 16" rifle barrel. That's still substantially less than 2250'/s AK round (123gr) and 3200'/s M193 (55gr).

Also, being round rather than pointy, pistol bullets have inherently less penetration than rifle bullets.

If you're that worried about penetration, use 38 special. It generates almost no recoil and is very accurate out of a rifle barrel. You can even "underload" a 38 special and not worry about cycling because a lever gun is hand operated.

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cadpipe

you can always use a prefragmented load for home defense, such as Glaser safety slugs, or magsafe, in a 38/357, they are made to not go thru, or at least not go far thru a stud and wallboard wall.

maximusslade

All true statments

Dreadnought

Hows about a .45 Desert Eagle. If not we go to .50 Desert Eagle.

PS better be wearing nomex for the .50 because it does blow fire and it spits shells out hard enough to irritate the jerk beside you at the range that likes waving snub guns around without looking who might be standing in their sights.

IMO a .40 cal is plenty for both plinking and home defense.

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m1tch311

Thanks again for help. I wouldnt use rifle as home defense it would be more of a plinker, sry if i was miss leading. I think i might end up buying an ak. Thers a guns show coming to town in august so ill have money and look then. Thanks!

btw the pistol is a 9mm berretta (my dads lol)

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omon

if you going for ak, try to find bulgarian slr 95, or 101(with single stack mag)with milled reciver, or russian vepr with rpk reciver, 90% of stamped reciver ak,s are real crap. russian saiga is ok gun, not as good as vepr, or slr, but it is cheaper. sks is also a good plinking rifle, i have chinise one, i can,t complain, it never failed, it is accurate enough for up to 200yards,(not extremely accurate, but good enough), very reliable, and chromed barel, makes it almost imune to corrosive rounds(wich most of 7,62x39 are), not to mention i got one in excelent condition, all numbers matching for 250$iirc, and it is almost twice as old as me. still as good as new.

m1tch311

Exact info im lookin for thanks a lot!

7thsfsniper

A man that knows his AKs. Good call Omon!

m1tch311

Wow thanks soo much omon. I think im going to get the Saiga rifle. Like the Ak idea with a hunting stock. and its not too expensive BUT now the question is what do u guys think the right caliber is ganna be? I was thinking .223? Wolf has 7.62 for 5 for 20rds but you guys say thats expensive so whats the cheapest/ most recommended (or will continue to be.)

7thsfsniper

7.62X39 would be my call, esp if you are going to shoot Wolf. Definitely more bang for the buck!

scullycasey

For home defense, I agree with the shotgun + handgun idea. I have a Mossberg Mariner 500 loaded with 12 Ga frangible Sabot slugs, but then, my old house has solid timber walls. The Dan Wesson 1911 10mm is nearby as well.

For target shooting and learning the art of the rifle, I think the M1 Garand is a great choice. You can get a rack- or field-grade model in your price range.
Check out
Service Grade M1 Garand Rifle Sales Program
among many other sources, or go to your local gun show.
Also, may I recommend "Boston's Gun Bible" for your reading pleasure. He has extensive discussions about all different types of rifles, pros cons etc.

Good luck and happy shooting!