Thread: Fn-fnc

http://www.mabesad.mil.id/beritatnia...4aarm_eng6.htm
INDONESIAN AARM TEAM MORE CONFIDENT
WITH OWN-MADE ARMS

The Indonesian Army's Carbine Team taking part in the on-going 14th ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet (AARM) is more confident with its owned made pro-duct, a team member said here on Saturday.

Second Sergeant Habdi said that his team felt more comfortable with using arms produced by Indonesia's weapon and ammunition manufacturer PT Pindad.

About 500 s******* from the 10 armies of the ASEAN member nations are taking part in the 14th ASEAN firing competiton being held in the firing range of the Indonesian Army Strategic Reserve Command's Infantry Division in Cilodong, West Java, from September 1 to 8, 2004.

Sgt Habdi said that one should not take lightly arms produced at home because it has been proven that PT Pindad's products are able to `speak' in many firing competition events in the current 14th AARM in Cilodong.

With Pindad made SSIV2 Authomatic Carbine, the Indonesian Amry's carbine team was able to dominate almost all events in the carbine matches.

Up to the fourth day of the competition, the Indonesian carbine team has booked victories in the individual and group macth-1, match-2 and match-3 events. While in the match-4 event, the Indonesian team came up as the second winner.

Habdi said the SS1-v2 rifle assault was proven to be reliable in the field. This rifle has high accuracy with relatively short jearing. With the SS 1-V2, Habdi was able to win the first place in the carbine match-2 event. He also was able to came up as the overall individual champ in all carbine events.
As a whole, the Indonesian Army's team is also believed to come up as the overall champion in the carbine events.

Starting his miltary career in the Cavelary-10 Battalion of the Wirabuana Military Command, Habdi has extensive experience in using various types of assault rifles made overseas. But he felt he was more comfortable with using the home-made SS1-V2 rifle.
"I have tried the US-made M-16 but I felt it did not fit met. If I used M-16, with only a slight slant, I would not hit the target," he said.


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Kopassus commandos with SS-V1s
Marines with SS-V1s
Soldiers with SS-V1s
Soldiers with SS-V1s
Yontafiab naval commandos with SS-V1 and M-16A1/M-203 combo

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as35-e.htm

Bofors AK-5 assault rifle (Sweden)

Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Length: 1008 mm (Stock Extended), 753 mm (Stock Retracted)
Barrel Length: 450 mm
Weight: 3.90 kg
Magazine: 30 rounds box
Rate Of Fire: 650 rounds per minute

Sweden adopted its first 7.62 mm assault rifle in 1963, as the AK-4. It was a license-built version of the Heckler & Koch G3 rifle, which served well until the adoption of the 5.56 mm ammunition in 1984. After extensive trials, which included designs like the Israeli Galil (made under license by FFV of Sweden), the German HK33, the American M16A1, the Swiss SIG SG-540 and some other designs, the Swedish army finally selected the Belgian FN FNC as its next weapon. The basic FN FNC rifle was modified to suit Swedish requirements, the most notable changes being the omission of the 3-round burst mode of fire, an enlarged trigger guard, a thicker forend and improved, corrosion-resistant finish on all metallic parts. First deliveries were made from FN circa 1986, and domestic rifles began to enter service a year later, made at Bofors' Karl Gustaf factories. The modified FNC rifle, adopted as the AK-5, is now in service with Swedish armed forces.

The AK5 assault rifle is essentially similar to the Belgian FN FNC rifle, except for several modifications. First, the AK5 has no provision for the 3-round burst mode, and will fire only single shots or full auto. Second, the buttstock and handguards are made longer and more suitable for winter conditions, and the charging handle enlarged for better grip when using arctic mittens. Special surface treatment is used for better protection against the elements. The AK5 is manufactured in several modifications, including the basic AK5; the AK5B with 4X telescopic sight (British SUSAT L9A1) and cheek-pad on buttstock, which is issued as a squad-level marksmen rifle; AK5C with Picatinny rail and no open sights; AK5D with the shortened barrel, and integral carrying handle with built-in telescope sight, intended for Commando units and paratroopers; and a grenade-launching version, fitted with American M203 40mm grenade launcher, which is used mostly by Rangers and amphibious forces.

Some comments from here...

http://remtek.com/arms/fn/fnc/index.htm


The upper receiver is also welded to the barrel extension block. In turn the barrel is threaded to the extension and held in place by a heavy lock nut. Two barrel lengths are available: 19.1 and 15.8 inches (including the flash suppressor). Hammer forged, with six grooves, right-hand twists of either 1:12 or 1:7 can be ordered. Twelve ports arranged in four rows of three surround the barrel's muzzle device. Tapped at an angle to the bore's axis, these ports throw gas forward to propel rifle grenades and also to slightly moderate muzzle climb. The FNC's effective flash eliminator (taken directly from the FN FAL series) accepts the current hollow-handle FAL bayonet. A blank-firing adapter is available as well as an optional lug attachment to take the U.S. M7 bayonet. Rotating a full 360 degrees, the front sling swivel is attached to the barrel by two snap rings.

Constructed entirely of steel, the FNC 30-rd. magazine is sturdy and reliable - far more reliable than the M16 magazine. Since the FNC does not feature a hold-open device, these magazines - although they can be used in the M16 series - will not hold back the M16's bolt after the last round has been fired. When the bolt flies forward into battery after the final round has been fired, the feed lug on its underside strikes the magazine follower, gouging its soft sheet-metal surface. Also disconcerting is the magazine's floorplate which can be pivoted inward about an inch, along with any amount of sand and/or debris you might want to pour into the magazine. Both 20- and 30-rd. M16 magazines can be used in the FNC. Thirty- and 45-rd. Thermold plastic magazines, as adopted by the Canadian Armed Forces, will also function in the FNC, although they will not fall freely away when released. Those of us accustomed to buying cheap, used M16 magazines at local gun shows will wince at the $37.65 charge for spare FNC magazines, but you can never own too many magazines.

Ergonomically pleasing handguards effectively dissipate heat radiating from the barrel during burst-fire sequences. A sheet-metal ventilated heat shield is riveted to each plastic handguard with six brass nails. A large rib, molded into the front end of the plastic handguard, prevents the support hand from sliding onto the heat shield. That's neat. But removing these handguards is only slightly less irritating than disassembling those on the M16A1. Since they are retained in the rear by a sheet-metal barrel collar, you are supposed to force the handguards' front retaining clip out of its notches with your thumb. You'd do better to keep a knife blade or screwdriver handy for this purpose

The plastic pistol grip is right off the FAL series, so it accepts the FAL cleaning kit which consists of an oil bottle and brass cleaning tips with nylon pull-through. You get all this for a modest $26.35. Nice for appearance' sake, but far more useful - and expensive - is the FNC combo tool at $43.56. This clever Walloon device can be used to scrape the interior of the gas block, gas vent, piston head and groove. It's much faster than a Swiss Army knife, but you can't peel mangoes with it in the Salvadoran bush.

Either of the two FAL-series buttstocks are available for the FNC. The excellent rigid stock provides a superior firing platform, but somewhat more popular is the folding stock featured on the so-called "para" models. Collapsing to the right, the FN para buttstock is the most stable folding buttstock ever designed. The trade-off is that a spring-loaded latch on the support block must be moved to the left while the stock is simultaneously pushed down out of the support block and then folded up against the receiver. The same process must be repeated to re-extend the stock and some may find this confusing. Two light alloy tubes are fitted to a heavier alloy buttplate. The upper tube is plastic coated for comfort in both arctic and tropical environments. It's all a bit too short for me.

The FNC is a sturdy and reliable performer. I have fired thousands of rounds through two selective-fire specimens and two semiautomatic-only "sporters" without a single stoppage whenever FN magazines were used. Although hefty, its handling characteristics are excellent. Felt recoil is very low. Its handguards are the best of any assault rifle and significantly contribute to the operator's ability to acquire targets quickly. The ejection pattern is quite erratic and varies from three feet to the right at 90 degrees to 50 feet at 30 degrees to the right of the muzzle.

FN barrels exhibit outstanding accuracy potential. I recently had three FN M249 SAW barrels air-gauged and they were very close to match grade. This attribute is unfortunately muted in the FNC by the extremely heavy trigger pull. Because of this, I have never fired a group smaller than six MOA with any of these rifles. Nevertheless, the hit potential remains above average when the three-shot burst device is employed in snap-shooting exercises.

Ease of maintenance has been improved by a considerable margin over the earlier FN CAL. To disassemble the FNC, first remove the magazine and clear the weapon. Push the rear retaining pin from the left to the right as far as it will go. Pivot the upper receiver away from the lower group. Push out the front retaining pin and separate the upper and lower receivers. Both of these pins are captive and are held in the lower receiver body by a snap spring. Pull the retracting handle to the rear, lift up the dust cover and pull out the handle: The bolt group can then be withdrawn out the rear of the upper receiver. Press in on the recoil spring's backplate and rotate it 90 degrees to the right or left. Pull the spring and guide rod out of the piston extension's hollow. Rotate the bolt body until its cam clears the carrier's track and remove it. Current firing-pin springs have a crimped end to prevent their inadvertent loss. Remove the handguards in the manner previously described. Rotate the gas cylinder to the left until the thumb piece is past the normal setting and perpendicular with the upper receiver's baffel block. Push the gas cylinder to the rear and lift away from the gas block. I suggest no further disassembly be attempted.

The barrel extension is difficult to reach and clean, but no more so than the M16. After cleaning, lubricate the receiver guide rails, bolt locking lugs, barrel extension locking recesses and recoil spring with either LSA, white lithium gtease or PARR All Weather Weapons Lube (A.R.M.S., Dept. SOF, 230 W. Center Street, W. BTidgewater, MA 02379). G-96 in an aerosol spray will do for the rest. Do not lubricate the piston, interior of the gas cylinder or gas block. Re-assemble in the reverse order. Make sure the grenade launching sight is vertical when you re-install the handguards.

Only Indonesia and Sweden have adopted the FNC. Members of the Assault-Rifle-of-the-Month Club (like myself) will have to put an FNC in their racks. But it's not my choice for humping the bush. Too heavy and not quite up to the usual FN standards of user-oriented excellence.


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Heavy but reliable and has been very popular with the Swedish and Indonesians who use it in totally different areas. Indonesian naval commandos don't dive with M-16s but will dive with AK-47s or SS-Vs (FNC). Often even SF units wil carry the full length model (SS-V1/SS-V2) rather then a shorter carbine version (SS-V4/SS-V5).

Kopassus Commandos with SS-V4s
Indonesian Marine with SS-V1
Kostrad Raiders with SS-V2s and SS-V4s
Kopaska naval commando with SS-V4

FNC is okay! rifle in my opinion is cheapy made! early version of the FNC have firing pin breakage problem becasue they were using cast parts! shot one , own one and sold it off! Not impress ! if you open out the bolt carrier , it is tack weld in various spot! I guess they do that to safe cost!

RIfle is balance and shoots okay! no bolt hold open! shoots just like an AK!.

FOlding stock is a nice touch ! AKA FAL type or the Galil! rifle is made os stamp metal! ,



DaveC!

Every FRICKING post made by you has like 2 of your guns listed...
Wow...........

I have shot my FNC (folding stock) in Highpower rifle matches and combat matches, like it better than the AR series rifle. I have just attached a holo sight and need to find or fabricate a cheek pad the get a correct cheek weld to the rifle, A fabrication would involve a piece of foam pipe insulation and velcro straps, with some kind of spacer for height, have not been successful in finding a manufactured one. Any one have any suggestions?

but now that there are op rod ARs I find it a wonderful improvement. As soon as the price goes from "yea right!" to "OK I could see that". I will probably convert mine.

My thoughts excatly.

Has the Stanag scope mount, with a Stanag to picatinny rail adpt. Just have a cheap holo sight on it now, while deciding what should be there, if anything!