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omon

if you are rober, or rapist (for example) would you like your victim to be armed?

and if you are the victim, would you rather have a gun or not?

guns are here already, no bans or laws gonna change that, there is no way to get rid of all guns, illegal onse you can,t track, and take away, so they will be here regardless.
if all registerd guns are taken away(cuz i,m sure as hell you wont find any record of ownership of illegal ones, and adresses where to get them), who will be hurt? the ones who legaly owned them and lost them, or the ones who have them illegaly and still kept them?
who will have a last laugh??

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Herodotus

If I'm going to go down, I would at least like a fighting chance. I think that if criminals know that their victims could (but not necessarily do) have a concealed weapon maybe they would think twice before robbing or raping him or her. There is always the danger though of psychopaths who will kill no matter what, and also the danger that bringing a firearm into any situation could escalate it.

I like the Swiss model personally; every male serves, and everybody keeps a gun in the home. Not only that but they train regulalry with them. A nice, orderly, peaceful society---the Swiss, and I sure wouldn't want to mess with one.

gunnut

That's exactly the intent.

It's not that we want everyone to be armed and get into shootouts with crooks every day. It's the fact that the crooks just might think twice about his next enterprise if there's a possibility that he'll come out on the short end.

Criminals are humans too. By that I mean they go through the normal cost-benefit analysis before committing a crime. If the chance of getting away is 100%, I'll bet you dollar to donuts that he'll go ahead with it. If the chance drops to near zero, he'll probably move on to his next adventure.

100% of the crime not committed do not become statistics...

(variation of Wayne Gretzy's quote on shooting the puck)

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dalem

Well, I don't know what the stats are, but safer homes is a step in the right direction.

-dale

GraniteForge

As it happens, I don't know of any negative stories concerning lawfully armed private citizens. If I did, and an appropriate moment came up in class to use it, I certainly would. However, I don't want you to get the idea that we feed our students politics or philosophy with the training. We don't. I know I am never going to have as much time with the students as I would like, even in the best case, and I think that spending a lot of time on anecdotes - however on point - is just stealing time from the class. I always try to accomodate a small amount of such questions, but beyond that I make sure that are held until after class.

Beyond that, its not really my place to be concerned with whether or not someone chooses to carry a gun. If they're in a basic non-LEO class, then they have already reached some sort of comfort level, and in my other classes that's not an issue. I just want to make sure that their right to do so isn't restricted should they wish to make that decision.

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Stan187

And when indeed you look up the numbers on burgulary in Switzerland, you will find, unsuprisingly, that not many people want to go into a house with bad intent when every single house has a good gun, good ammo, and trained shooter.

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dalem

All of this reminds me that I need to get my CCW permit renewed this year. Now I just have to figure out how to do it.

-dale

Herodotus

From 1993 to 2002,1 data from the BLS Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries (CFOI) show that 175 workers were killed on the job as the result of an accidental gunshot wound. While this total represented only 0.3 percent of the 61,146 workplace fatalities suffered by all workers during this 10-year span, these fatalities are especially alarming because they involve firearms and are prevalent in military and protective service occupations.

Fatal Occupational Injuries from Accidental Gunshot Wounds, 1993-2002

This is for the general population in 2005:

Death Statistics Tables

776 died of accidental discharge of a firearrm. There is always some risk in owning a gun, but it seems like guns are far less likely to result in an accidental death than say driving on the freeway.

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GraniteForge

My home state drove out the foreign occupation army about 233 years ago, and since then, law-abiding citizens have always been free to carry concealed handguns for any lawful purpose, albeit under a licensing system since the early 1920s. I would be absolutely shocked if - over the literally millions of concealed carry days, consisting of the aggregate of many hundreds of thousands of persons, spread out over 233 years - not a single one of those persons had done something boneheaded.

That being said, we only added the right to keep and bear arms to our state Constitution in the 1980s. And yes, I think a law passed way back then is just as relevant today. Plus, the guns are the same, so you don't have to deal with the red herring of 'primitive technology.'

FOG3

You mean that one? The one that should render the nitpicking over verbage irrelevant? The Constitution doesn't grant rights, it merely serves as a contractual "gurantee" against the federal government making attempts on those rights. The problem is that like any contract it's only good if it's actually enforced, and the guys profiting off it not being enforced on them are obviously not the ones to be trusted with that responsibility.

If a guy vents your carotid artery with a shiv are you somehow less dead then if he manages get you with a lucky shot? If they can make shivs in a prison setting with all the monitoring and everything else, you think they can't when they're out on the streets? What, are you one of those people that have seen so many movies you've been convinced spray and pray actually allows someone to hit something, especially with the gangsta approach?

Hey, when seconds count the Police are only minutes away. How you want to handle the issue of your not ending up in a body bag is your problem, they can't hold your hand 24/7 even if they wanted to. But then I expect you're a good sized male and being a good size male don't think you can be put at a physical disadvantage even if you are a sedentary being. Well what about the female half of things, hmm?

Martial Arts you say? That's nice, so just how many years of dedicated training are you free to just get your skill level up to a meaningful level, and is your system really going to cut the mustard when a guy actually moves in on you on his terms?