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Reply With QuoteThe IDF didn't pay for the M16A1/M16A2/M4/M4A1 even a nickel, so the price is ca. 800-1000 times higherOriginally Posted by PanSonic
If I'm not mistaken it costs the IDF about 3 times the m-16/m-4
The IDF didn't pay for the M16A1/M16A2/M4/M4A1 even a nickel, so the price is ca. 800-1000 times higher
Whatever happens, we have got
the Maxim Gun, and they have not
India is purchasing 3070 rifles for USD 20 million. That comes to around USD 6,500 a piece. But this could also include the license fee, since India is also manufacturing the local variant “Zittara”.
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/25.htm
Is this the latest news? What happen to INSAS?
Looks very similar to the Galil.
Micro-Tavor in action in Gaza:
INSAS is the standard assault rifle for the Indian Army. Tavor will be used by para military forces.
The wikipedia link below shows the photo of Indian Army paratroopers marching with Tavors, and a photo of the Indian built Tavor (locally called as Zittara).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavor#Users
There is no such thing like "Indian built Tavor", all of the Indian Tavors are manufactured in Israel. And the Zittara for today it is just a proposal, not a real thing (by the way the weapon at the picture is Israel built carbine). It is not a standard Tavor (TAR-21), but Micro Tavor - India still doesn't pick up a carbine which will be a replacement to the old Sterlings i.e. Carbine 1A and Carbine 2A1.
Whatever happens, we have got
the Maxim Gun, and they have not
Nope, it is not. There are very old, inaccurate informations. If India choice the Micro Tavor as their new carbine, then there is a chance for a licence production of this multi-calibre weapon (5,56 mm x 45, 9 mm x 19 plus the Indian 5,56 mm x 30). There is no decision for now.The INSAS is still in use, but - that's the reason why Special Forces pick up the Israeli weapon - is not very successful assault rifle.What happen to INSAS?
Whatever happens, we have got
the Maxim Gun, and they have not
Well, Indian Ordanance Factory is advertising it in their product list.
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/25.htm
They display only those weapons which are being manufactured locally.
And I saw one on display during Defence Expo 3 years back.
The Micro Tavor (or Zittara) was never ment to replace the INSAS as the standard carbine for Indian Army. It will be used only by the Special Forces as it is more suitable for close quater combats than the INSAS, which of course has its own set of problems.
The INSAS is not the "carbine" but "assault rifle". And - as I wrote before - the Zittara if will be adapted and produced will be a replacement for old Carbine 1A and Carbine 2A1 (i.e. Sterling submachine guns).Nope, the Indian Special Forces will use Tavor (different versions), not Micro Tavor (Zittara).It will be used only by the Special Forces as it is more suitable for close quater combats than the INSAS, which of course has its own set of problems.I am afraid you're wrong. The Zittara was never manufactured in India, it was just a proposal, encouragement to buy Israeli weapons and produce them in India.Well, Indian Ordanance Factory is advertising it in their product list. They display only those weapons which are being manufactured locally.The Micro Tavor you saw it is just Israeli bulit carbine. That's all. I understand your national pride, but I am afraid it has nothing in common with facts.And I saw one on display during Defence Expo 3 years back.
By the way, similar story was in the Ukraine, they also took some Israeli Tavors and place "Made in Ukraine" sign over the original
Whatever happens, we have got
the Maxim Gun, and they have not
One of my relative visits Indian Ordinance Factory occasionally as the company he works with has supplied few machines to IOF. I will ask him find out the facts (though he won't talk much about it, no matter how much I ask him. The last time I asked him something about it, he just got me a few passes to the Defense Expo).
Tavor would be just one of the many things India imports from Israel. My national pride would be hurt if they ever scrap INSAS.I understand your national pride, but I am afraid it has nothing in common with facts.
Indian Special forces never used INSAS as their primary weapon.It was always MP5 or AK series.
INSAS is meant as a normal infantry weapon.It does not have full auto mode,rather a 3 burst mode. It is not a fault,but a deliberate design requirement.
Hence the question if INSAS is successful or failure based on the criteria that Special Forces use it or not does not arise.If it was such a failure, IA should be nuts to have million INSAS in their inventory.It works where it is expected to work.From a -35 degree Siachen glacier to 50 degrees Thar desert.
They also bought some Singaporean SAR21 though I'm not sure of the quantity. IIRC they prefer the Tavor.I believed a pretty impressive amount of Tavor were sold to Thailand Armed Forces...
In the assault rifle version, it has semi-auto and 3-round burst modes much like the US M16A2. Derived from the INSAS weapon systems, the INSAS Excalibur Mark-I is ergonomically designed with a folding butt and can fire 20 and 30-round magazines. It is also fitted with a Picatinny rail for mounting of opto-electronic devices. The INSAS Excalibur variant, to be used by the Special forces, has Semi-automatic and full automatic fire modes.
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