HistoricalDavid

What's 357Sig like to shoot?

(Please frame it in terms someone who's only fired a Beretta 9mm would understand. )

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Achilles

As a side note, if it's really all about the "New Round" and Armour, why not just load a 9 with +P+ Ammo and solid core, steel jacketed, teflon coated or tungsten rounds? any one of them will rip through most body armour, with the exception of plate inserts and even then I've seen some penetration to a lvl 4 plate with Teflon round it took 12 rounds but in the right setting you'd be amazed at how fast 12 rounds can be fired :-) I mean I understand the wear to the weapon, increased maintenance and Ammo cost, but that can't be as great as a completely new weapon system?

gunnut

The 357Sig is a 40 S&W necked down to take a 9mm bullet. The recoil is of course bigger than a 9mm. Depending on your load (light or heavy bullet, normal or high pressure) and the type of gun, it's safe to say extra 10% to 25% recoil compared to a 9mm.

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HistoricalDavid

So it'd be possible for me to fire. (I found the 9mm very easy and I'm definitely on the small side at 5'4".) Is it possible to double-stack it or do you need larger hands? I just barely wrapped my fingers around a double-stack .45 USP, though I didn't fire it.

gunnut

I've shot a full size USP45. It is a large weapon. Much larger than a double stack 40. I think you should be good with a double stack 40 like a Sig P229. If you really want a small double stack, Glock offers the slimmest grip on the market. I've only shot a Glock 17 9mm, which I found to be very accurate. It is big, but not too thick.

HistoricalDavid

Hmmm... I was pretty crap with regards to accuracy on the 9mm but much better with the AR-15 w/ red-dot sight. Do they issue CCW permits for AR-15s?

gunnut

You will probably need a very baggy pair of pants or a trench coat to conceal that. However there are AR "pistols" with no stock and a 7" barrel for your convenience.

toemag

There is just something so wrong with your choice of wording there me old son.



Tony

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HistoricalDavid

Yeah I need suitable clothing to conceal what I'm packing.

gunnut

Bushmaster - Home Defense & Recreation Rifles

I'm sure there are pockets big enough for something like this.

gunnut

You should consider carrying paper currency instead of lugging all those pennies around.

BrokenArrow

The few people using the 5.7/4.6 seem to like it, but they also like the 9mm, which many if the US M&P community don't like.

The 5.7/.4.6 mil spec loads penetrate armor just fine, but still do less actual tissue damage than the 38/357/9/40/45 FMJ and JHP loads do. The civilian legal 5.7 loads do not rate well by FBI ammo performance standards: the 38/357/9/40/45 are all still better in that regard. Given the mil-spec loads I would consider the FN and HK. Given the US commercial loads, I would stick w the 38/357/9/40/45 for my needs.

I'm retired US military, and I think the 9 is fine. I still like revolvers too. Have been issued 38/357 revolvers, 9/45 autos. If you look at NYPD's gunfight statistics, comparing the last 10 yrs of revolver use to the first 10 yrs of auto use, the switch from 6 shot revolvers to 16 shot autos hasn't really made much difference. The officer hit rates on target or survival in gunfights are still about the same, though the number of rounds fired has increased (from an avg of 4 to 8).

toemag

Just looking at that pair of Ruger's, makes my pulse rate climb and brings back memories of when I was carrying one for a living, and we did some extensive training. Draw, double tap, double action, fast, speed load and keep engaging the targets as long as they were presented. Them Ruger Security Six's we had with 3" BBL's were the mutts nuts. Our boss trainer used to be the Munich SWAT boss and trainer back in the 80's, a brilliant person to work for and with, very professional.

It took me years of training and practice to become deadly with a revolver and most pistols, and it was all lost in an accident at work, co-ordination and motoric damage, pi$$ed off, me yes damn right. Still I can still shoot well enough to compliment my rifle's.

Tony

gunnut

For your convenience

toemag

Kel-tec do make exceedingly nice toy's, now the only thing missing is a shoulder rig like the one they designed for the H&K MP5K, and some type of stock on the front with a vertical grip, and a red dot, something small like the Doctor Optics one. Not forgetting a pocket full of USGI 20rnd mags to keep it fed.

I always liked the idea of a pistol size weapon that fires a rifle cartridge, the problems were and always will be:- the maximum muzzle energy will not be achieved due to the shorter barrel length, ie, not all of the powder will have been burnt before the projectile has left the barrel, then the magazine carriers will not be as concealable as the pistol type one's, which may mean a less ammo load out.

As to the .357Sig, I myself have never fired one, all of the .40, 10mm etc etc are exotic calibres in my opinion. Here in good old Germany, try going into a little gun shop in Arschderwelt and asking him for your favourite ammo in such a calibre and you will be out of luck, they will have 9mm maybe some .45 .38SP or .357mag or even .44mag, what they won't have is the exotics. Having said that H&K did some testing, took the USP as a platform, may even have been the compact version and made one in .357Sig, 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP, and the overall winner with the best penetration results was the .357Sig

Tony