PDW Pistol vs. Magnum - Page 2

jame$thegreat · 08-10-2007, 16:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skullstorm17

I didn't ask for your opinion on revolvers, I asked if anyone knew about the new PDWs compared to high-caliber handguns. If you want to share your hatrid of revolvers to the world, comment on on a post/poll about them, not this.

What the f*ck is your problem? You are pretty new so I'm going to lay this out very simply for you, with seniority comes respect, you have neither. Even when you do, you have no right to lash out at another member like that. You better learn quick what proper etiquitte for talking to other members on this board is before you find your ass in the ban-wagon.

dalem · 08-10-2007, 16:33 PM

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Originally Posted by entropy

Until your 6 bullets are out and there are 7 zombies, with the last one being particularly quick.

Like I said, it's fer the ornery human-folk, not the zombies. For the zombies I'll have a rifle or carbine. And Odalys Garcia will bear my swords. And extra ammo. And Doritos.

-dale

gunnut · 08-10-2007, 16:39 PM

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Originally Posted by glyn

I used to prefer revolvers for large calibre and automatics for .22". By the way, there used to be 3 grades of power with pistol ammunition. The run-of-the-mill 'standard', then there was the 'special' which allegedly had 50% more powder in a somewhat larger case, and finally the 'magnum' which was supposed to have 100% more powder in an even longer case. I hear a lot about magnums, but never seem to hear about 'specials'. Are they still made?

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Originally Posted by entropy

38 special is.

Actually that's not entirely correct.

The 38 special has a diameter of .358", the exact same diameter as a 357 magnum. Therefore, any 357 mag revolver can safely fire 38 special.

The reason 38 special was named "special" was because the original bullet case was actually .38", but shrunk down to fit a new type of revolver being developed at the time. The rim of the 38 special case is .38" wide.

The 357 magnum is a lengthened 38 special case loaded with extra goodies to achieve 50% more energy...I think. At least that's what I load mine to be. The stock 38 special generates a muzzle velocity of 900'/s, while magnum can hit 1450'/s.

Then there's the 44 special. It can be fired from any 44 magnum revolver just like how 38/357 works. It's pretty rare now since most people prefer either autos, 357 magnum, or 44 magnum. I haven't seen a pack 44 special bullets sold at my local gun store for a while.

gunnut · 08-10-2007, 16:41 PM

OK guys, calm down.

No need to let a friendly discussion about guns turn into a personal flame fest.

Breathe in...breathe out...

dalem · 08-10-2007, 16:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

OK guys, calm down.

No need to let a friendly discussion about guns turn into a personal flame fest.

Breathe in...breathe out...

ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!?!?!?!?

Oh wait, I thought you were a dragon.

-dale

gunnut · 08-10-2007, 17:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!?!?!?!?

I need TP for my bunghole?

Heh heh heh heh heh...

glyn · 08-10-2007, 17:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Actually that's not entirely correct.

The 38 special has a diameter of .358", the exact same diameter as a 357 magnum. Therefore, any 357 mag revolver can safely fire 38 special.

The reason 38 special was named "special" was because the original bullet case was actually .38", but shrunk down to fit a new type of revolver being developed at the time. The rim of the 38 special case is .38" wide.

The 357 magnum is a lengthened 38 special case loaded with extra goodies to achieve 50% more energy...I think. At least that's what I load mine to be. The stock 38 special generates a muzzle velocity of 900'/s, while magnum can hit 1450'/s.

Then there's the 44 special. It can be fired from any 44 magnum revolver just like how 38/357 works. It's pretty rare now since most people prefer either autos, 357 magnum, or 44 magnum. I haven't seen a pack 44 special bullets sold at my local gun store for a while.

With you so far, but the pistol ammo is rimmed, but the 9mm ammo is rimless. Are you saying that the rimless 9mm can be used in revolvers? If so there must be some form of adaptor. Also the 9mm is a 'standard' round of ammo. Is there a 'special' grade for the calibre?

gunnut · 08-10-2007, 17:46 PM

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Originally Posted by glyn

With you so far, but the pistol ammo is rimmed, but the 9mm ammo is rimless. Are you saying that the rimless 9mm can be used in revolvers? If so there must be some form of adaptor. Also the 9mm is a 'standard' round of ammo. Is there a 'special' grade for the calibre?

I had the same question when I first started reloading. There are 2 differences in the bullets themselves.

The 38/357 revolver bullets are .358" in diameter. The 9mm Para is actually .356" wide. I have loaded 9mm bullets in 357 cases and fired them. Doesn't make too much of a difference. The extre 0.002" difference might result in worse pattern and extra fouling of the barrel.

The 2nd difference is the 9mm Para bullets sit farther out of the casing than the 38/357 bullets. The 38/357 has a long straight side wall that allows them to sit very deep in the case. The 9mm Para has a short side wall and must sit farther out of a very short case.

There's another difference between the 9mm Para and the 38/357 that does not allow the 9mm to be fired from the 357 revolver. The 9mm Para case is actually tapered. The rear end is slightly bigger than the neck. The 38/357 is perfectly straight.

I believe some revolvers are chambered in 9mm Para. The cylinder is bored to fit the 9mm Para case and the user will fit the rounds in a full moon or half moon clip for ejection after he's done.

glyn · 08-10-2007, 18:30 PM

Thank you!

Skullstorm17 · 08-10-2007, 19:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan187

I wasn't talking to you so you can go **** yourself! I'll post where I want to post, son. You being new here, you can learn your manners the easy way or the hard way. You don't know me son, so just sit back in that comfy chair of your and shut the hell up like a good little boy.

I thought you were talking to me, apparently not. I am sorry.

Stan187 · 08-10-2007, 20:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

I need TP for my bunghole?

Heh heh heh heh heh...

LoL, LOVE that movie!

Thanks for explaining the differences between the cartridges gunnut, that was very informative.

dalem · 08-11-2007, 02:04 AM

That does it. I'm going to the range this weekend. What (handgun) am I taking?

-dale

Stan187 · 08-11-2007, 06:12 AM

I'd roll with that P38 is I were you

bonehead · 08-11-2007, 20:12 PM

Zombie or not, there are much easier targets than Dale. The easier targets would stand out. When the SHTF they would be furiously calling 911 so some govt agency could bail them out.

Dale. Why only one? Have a revolver party one week and a pistol party the next.

toemag · 08-12-2007, 07:49 AM

I'm much more accurate with my Colt Python than with any pistol, as to the seventh or eleventh zombie, who cares,

.

Tony

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