Sinfulcurves_AK

hehe, really -- glad ya liked.

PS: AK's still kick bootay -- and you know it!

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Sinfulcurves_AK

~hehe~ Whoopsies, blame it on Lunatock! -- the picture-posting wasn't my idea...

Lunatock

Picture posting. Did I miss something that was already edited out?

Anon

No, i still think AKs are pig-iron, but that does not change the fact that you miss, are a hottie.

LOL

lurker

lol. One week missed checking this forum, and it's already turning into ...

ps. My opinion that M-16 is superior for:

• One day short missions
• Good visibility in all directions
• No mud, dust of rain
• etc... room conditions

If you are in the jungle, city, mountains, Europe (90% of the ranges are <500m) you know - AK is better, durable and cheaper.

Anon

The ONLY time the AK is better is when your army is composed of untrained undisciplined monkeys.

PS- you forgot the M-16A2s biggest advantadge- range.

In a city or mountainous region the M-16A2 is vastly superior to the AK.

lurker

In all those situations I described - range plays no importance, except maybe mountains. Ok, remove mountains.

There was a photo from Iraq, showing US NG's (I think) with their M16s wrapped in plastic bags. Says much about M16s usefullness in those condiotions.

Anon

Have you ever stood on a roof in a city and estimated how far away you could shoot someone?

On a 5 story building your LOS will be about 2000 meters.

It only makes sense to protect your weapon from the elements. That's called training.

lurker

I'd better put MG or sniper at the roof, and all the guys with M16's on different floors etc.

I've seen cities with mutlistore buildings spaced each about 100 yards with no straight line of fire between them (correction: no line longer than 200-300 yards).

And Kalashnikov is known to make 40,000 shots with same barrel, with minor replacements of the mechanism, and only outside cleaning (just not to get dirty).

Anon

"I've seen cities with mutlistore buildings spaced each about 100 yards with no straight line of fire between them (correction: no line longer than 200-300 yards)."

OK, now go to the corner of the building(5 stories), and look down the streets. You can see for about 20 blocks(about 2000 meters) if there are no terrain elevation variances.

"And Kalashnikov is known to make 40,000 shots with same barrel, with minor replacements of the mechanism, and only outside cleaning (just not to get dirty).'

The reason for that is because the AK is machined with gigantic tolerance gaps(compared to western weapons). Greatly improves reliabilty for the cost of losing all semblence of long range capability.

That's why i said the AK is perfect for untrained armys. They don't have to clean it(or you as their leader don't have to worry about training them how to clean it or make sure they do), and they can't hit **** anyway, so there's no point in giving them a decent LR capable rifle.

In afghanistan US troops routinely drop 'Mujahamorons' at ranges of 500 meters with the M-16A2, and 400 meters with the M-4. The enemies only means of effective counter-fire is mortars. This has caused the interesting situation on a few occasions of US rifleman getting into firefights with enemy mortar teams. Afghanistans mountainous terrain is ideally suited to weapons with excellent LR capability.
In Iraq both during ODS, the initial invasion of OIF, and now during the insurgency, US troops have used the superior(OK, vastly superior) range of the M-16A2 and M-4A1 to great effect on many occasions.

lurker

Sure, if there is a straight street, no fog etc. If buildiings are not in the line and street is just turning left and right, then ... - most of the old European cities are that way.
(An some of the new ones with huge appartment complexes).


That is true.
AKs were made in the 50s for the massive war with the west. I.e. millions of troops, 90% of which are yesterdays civilians.
Of course it would be ideal for any kind of "militia".

But since then much more changed, AK in classic form can be found only in Africa, or Iraq, or some other s.thole.

New weapons of that line are much more complex, with better range, and known to hole modern armour vests and troop carriers. As you know, all the "AK" shells made in the Russia are "armour-piercing".

Praxus

http://www.ini.unizh.ch/~kramer/london.gif

There are some pretty long stretches of straight roads in london and many other European cities.

What do you mean by troop carriers?

lurker

APCs

p.s. Method for supressing the fire from the buldings along the long streets is known for a long time. It's called "tank shell in every place you see firing alone the street".
It is known to be very effective

Praxus

An Ak round can not penetrate an APC, most APC's are protected up to 14.7 mm.

Yup try doing that when there are guys with Javalins and Predators, weapons that can actually take a tank out.

lurker

Bullet PC-101 against 10mm steel, distance - 100m
Fired from AK-101 (AK with 5.56x45 NATO caliber)



Bullet 7N13 from "SVD" (7.62x54) against the same armor, same distance



Thats why it's called "war" and not a "porno contest". Guy with the longer or thicker gun not always wins.