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    That would be out of Character for the Sovs.

    Whenever they detected any American assets they swarmed all over them like locusts....which they did do when they finally detected the Kitty Hawk.

    The Ocean is a vast expanse of nothing, it is very easy to hide in....even for a whole battlegroup- even today.

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    I'll agree with you there Fury- the original M-16 was junk. The M-16A1 was pretty crappy too if you ask me. The A2 however, is a damned fine weapon.

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    I bet alot of U.S marines during vietnam war would have chosen M14 over the original M16, lets compare the two weapons they are both full automatic both have 20 rds in magazines but that's where the similarities end. M14 is heavier (weights about 4.8 kg I guess ) it fires 7.62x51 round and when it comes to reliability the M14 is light years ahead of the first M16 model.
    Atleast I would have chosen M14 without a second thought.

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    The M14 action(Garands) is still one of the most reliable designs ever created, and it still is. The reliability factor now adays is more of a secondary issue to accuracy and knock down punch. I dunno about accuracy but it has over twice the knockdown punch as the M16. Which means it can penetrate walls of buildings at longer ranges, and of course can penetrate body armor much easier.

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    I'd take an M-14/21/25 over any battlerifle in existence.

    Of course, i am slightly biased.

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    I'd take either an AN-94 with Kobra sight or one of those modern Dragunov SVDK's over anything

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    Drunkanov huh?

    OK, wanna have a shoot-out at 1000 meters, best man wins?

    Hehehehe.

    I will take a new build Springfield M-21, naturally.

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    That's not fair, guns are illegal in the Netherlands.

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    A nice article on the AN-94

    http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm


    "Originally it was intended to replace most, if not all, AK-74 rifles in the Russian service, but it soon turned out that the complete replacement is impossible due to the economical (mostly) and some other reasons. At the present time the AN-94 is considered as the "professionals' choice", and is used in limited numbers by the elite forces of the Russian Army, police and Internal Affairs Ministry. The main body of the Russian armed forces are still armed with the Kalashnikov assault rifles, and AK-type rifles will remain in service for a long time, most probably

    In the single shots or the full auto mode, there's no significant advantages over the AK-74. At this point, one can ask "is all this complication of the AN-94 mechanism worth the achieved results"? From my point of view, there's no simple answer. The trained professional warrior can use the 2-rounds burst capability of AN-94 to the great degree of success, but prior to this, a lot of time and resources should be spent to train this professional soldier to use AN-94 effectively. Unlike the more common designs, like the Russian Kalashnikov or American M16 rifles and others, the AN-94 internals are not "user friendly", and it took weeks, if not months, to get used to this rifle, its assembly / disassembly and maintenance procedures. It is also more expensive to made and maintain, than the AK-74. From all this it is obvious why this very interesting rifle hardly will see any widespread service, at least with the Russian Army (which at this moment is conscripted by the large, and on a low budget). On the other hand, some elite units can make a good use for major advantages of the AN-94.

    From the personal, but trustworthy reports I can add the following. First, the ergonomics of the AN-94 is not the best one. The shape of the pistol grip, and the inclined from the vertical plane magazine are way from being comfortable. The rear diopter sight has small apertures, not protected from dirt, and is hard to clean in the battle conditions. It also has sharp edges and can snag in the clothes or make a scratches on the skin when handled roughly. The grenade launcher mount under the barrel is a little weird, since it uses a large "bridge" between the stock and the launcher. The folding butt interferes with the trigger when folded, and the fire selector, which is separated from the safety, is hard to operate, especially when wet. On the other hand, as said above, in the 2-rounds burst it is very accurate and offers a great advantage in the terminal effectiveness over the standard single shot mode."



    Me I would take what ever I get issued and that my supply master will give me bullets for. If that is a K-98K well I have no choice....

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    “By the way, AKM? I see mostly aK-47’s in Iraq”

    They have stocks of AKMs. Look harder.

    “Very easy to mass produce? Let's hope they are doing a better job than the Chinese!”

    They are fully able to build them and have done so for years now.

    “The modernized RPKS it's quite favored by Russian troops in Chechenya.”

    As compared to the RPK or RPK-74…

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    yeah, plus the M16 fires 5.56mm rounds, thats smaller then the normal 9mm round most handguns take. and much smaller then the 0.50caliber round the AK47 takes...and hey lets fave it, if i aint fit for thie military, it aint fit for anyone....plus i find that if you throw a M16 on cement it wont work, and it has some hard plastic parts, as with the AK47 it has metal and wood, good for butting people in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey10103
    yeah, plus the M16 fires 5.56mm rounds, thats smaller then the normal 9mm round most handguns take. and much smaller then the 0.50caliber round the AK47 takes...and hey lets fave it, if i aint fit for thie military, it aint fit for anyone....plus i find that if you throw a M16 on cement it wont work, and it has some hard plastic parts, as with the AK47 it has metal and wood, good for butting people in the head.
    YOU'VE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!!!!!
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    I guess it's time to ban another troll.

    Luna, feel like getting it taken care of?

    LOL

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    Your most kind. I'll have to remember the next one is all yours.

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    “yeah, plus the M16 fires 5.56mm rounds, thats smaller then the normal 9mm round most handguns take. and much smaller then the 0.50caliber round the AK47 takes...and hey lets fave it, if i aint fit for thie military, it aint fit for anyone....plus i find that if you throw a M16 on cement it wont work, and it has some hard plastic parts, as with the AK47 it has metal and wood, good for butting people in the head.”

    So you watch lame programs on the discovery channel huh? The AK-47/AMK use a 7.62x39mm round, the 9mm round in normally 9x19mm in the west and 9x18mm in Russia. The M-16 uses the 5.56x45mm.

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