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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperdude411
    Always watch History channel, never heard of him. What shows is/are he on?
    It's been awhile since I've seen one with him on it, but as I recall he was featured on Weapons at War and those other shows hosted by Monte Markham (whom I'd just love to belt across the face with a firelog)

    My favorite clip of Sir Ian was during a segment talking about the Congreve rockets and how unstable they were. Hogg said in his wonderful British understatement "The rockets would sometimes explode just barely after leaving the launch rail......which was very unpopular..."

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    You've got WAY too much time on your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperdude411
    You've got WAY too much time on your hands.

    I do? How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter
    Come now Praxus, let's not forget the age of the UZI. Also let's not forget that it fulfilled it's designed purpose exactly. It also provided the State of Israel with a domestically designed and produced small-arm. It was also a great export success.
    As for it's inaccuracy, well the UZI was and is better than no weapon at all due to politics
    The UZI is not an indegenious weapon, but was copied from the 9mm Samopal VZ.48.
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg46-e.htm
    In the under mentioned the nomenclature of the VZ.48 is erronously given as VZ.23/25. The correction is given in the above link.
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg17-e.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter
    I do? How so?
    Well, I memorize weapons' (especially guns) names, while you just watch the shows, and memorize who talks on those shows. Also, I never wathc more than 2 hours of tv a day. Most of the time I never watch tv. I go around browsing gun websites all day, check blogs, news, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperdude411
    Well, I memorize weapons' (especially guns) names, while you just watch the shows, and memorize who talks on those shows. Also, I never wathc more than 2 hours of tv a day. Most of the time I never watch tv. I go around browsing gun websites all day, check blogs, news, etc.
    Not sure when you'll see this, but here goes...
    Hm, well I too don't watch much TV in a given day. I grew up without a TV in the house until I was in Junior High. Even today, my nose is usually buried in a book or on the Web (like yourself) checking out various military and defense sites.
    However, I happen to be blessed or cursed with a "videocamera" memory. I can recall conversations from 25 years ago like I'm watching them on TV. And, things that I find particularly of interest, or in the case very funny, I am even more apt to remember.
    Besides, whether watching TV and remembering things, or going on the web and remembering them, what difference does it really make? Apparently you have just as much time on your hands as I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    The UZI is not an indegenious weapon, but was copied from the 9mm Samopal VZ.48.
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg46-e.htm
    In the under mentioned the nomenclature of the VZ.48 is erronously given as VZ.23/25. The correction is given in the above link.
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg17-e.htm
    Thanks for the history on that one lemontree, I wasnt aware of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke
    Does anybody here have experience with this rifle or know anybody who does?

    If so, how does it compare to the AK-47, and other assault rifles?
    I used to own a live fire Class 3 MP44 and can understand why Mr Kalashnikov would cringe at the mention that his AK series was a direct copy of the German MP43/Stg44 series of rifles.

    Aside from their similar outward appearances, they have nothing else in common. Internally the MP44 is very different than the AK. Nothihg looks even remotely similar to AK internals. The AK uses a rotating bolt for bolt/barrel lock-up while the MP44 uses a tilting bolt that drops into a recess in the receiver.
    The MP44 is alot more sophisticated and more expensive to build than the AK. The AK will field strip alot easier than the MP44.
    Firing each type is about the same when using surplus military type ammo. Due to the scarcity of surplus ammo I was forced to make my own 7.92x33 kurz ammo and found that on full auto the gun was more easily controllable than with surplus ammo. The surplus ammo would make the muzzle climb away after about the 3-4th round leaves the barrel. I havent had the oportunity to fire a F/A AK and so my shooting experience with those is limited to semi auto versions.
    The mag release on the MP44 is a simple one-handed affair making changing mags a much quicker experience.

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    Thanks for the info intruder. I had read/seen basically what you had mention (though without your juicy details ) somewhere before, but since I am not even close to being a firearms expert, I didn't want to prognosticate on things I know very little about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter
    Not sure when you'll see this, but here goes...
    Hm, well I too don't watch much TV in a given day. I grew up without a TV in the house until I was in Junior High. Even today, my nose is usually buried in a book or on the Web (like yourself) checking out various military and defense sites.
    However, I happen to be blessed or cursed with a "videocamera" memory. I can recall conversations from 25 years ago like I'm watching them on TV. And, things that I find particularly of interest, or in the case very funny, I am even more apt to remember.
    Besides, whether watching TV and remembering things, or going on the web and remembering them, what difference does it really make? Apparently you have just as much time on your hands as I do.
    I have quite similar type of memory. During school, if you were the onoly one that didn't need to study before tests, then your are difinitely blessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke
    Let me guess, the Galil is named after him too?
    I think it was Yakov Loir or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    UZI is really heavy for it's size. That's always been the one knock on the weapon.

    I've fieldstripped plenty of AKs, but never a Stg44, so i can't say how they compare internally.

    I am definitely of the opinion that the M-16 is easier and faster to field strip than the AK is.
    The Stg44 strips just like the G3

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    The UZI is not an indegenious weapon, but was copied from the 9mm Samopal VZ.48.
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg46-e.htm
    In the under mentioned the nomenclature of the VZ.48 is erronously given as VZ.23/25. The correction is given in the above link.
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg17-e.htm
    Hi Lemontree,

    I'd rather not use the word 'copied' - it was rather a borrowing of the concept - The package is highly original. Or else it would be as over simplistic to say the AK was copied from the Stg44 simply they look similar.... or like saying the Galil is a copy of the AK.... same with the INSAS.

    No offense intended though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottage cheese
    Hi Lemontree,

    I'd rather not use the word 'copied' - it was rather a borrowing of the concept - The package is highly original. Or else it would be as over simplistic to say the AK was copied from the Stg44 simply they look similar.... or like saying the Galil is a copy of the AK.... same with the INSAS.

    No offense intended though.
    A very logical statement. We need more of those on this board

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter
    I am 100% positive that the UZI, M-16 and AK-47 were invented by 3 men who had NEVER met (until after the fact in the case of the -16 and -47).

    Eugene Stoner worked for aircraft maker Fairchild Republic (of A-10 fame as everybody knows :D ) and was intrigued by the use of lightweight metals and synthetic (I think) materials that went into aircraft manufacturing. He decided that such materials would make excellent rifle components and so eventually developed the AR-15 for Armalite.
    Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov saw the potential of the MP-44 Sturmgewher (my all-time favorite personal weapon of World War II) and developed the Avtomat Kalashinkova-47. Interestingly, while both weapons have a strikingly similar appearance, they don't have much in common on the inside. The Sturmgewher is a complex, precision manufactured rifle, whereas the AK is anything but. To this day, Comrade Kalashnikov bristles at the idea that his AK-47 is a direct copy of the Sturmgewher Having never field stripped either rifle, I have to take his word for it.
    I know relatively little about Uziel Gal, so maybe our Israeli compatriots can give us a rundown on him. The UZI 9mm is one of the greatest success stories of small arms. If I am not mistaken, the IDF only recently took it out of service.

    Very incorrect on Stoner. He produced his 5.56mm Stoner Weapons Sytem before he created the AR-15. The U.S. Military dislike the SWS but SF loved it.

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