MiG-29 vs. F-18

[Rusky]

LOL, sounds like a sales brochure...

Well, its the truth though.

[Captain Drunk]

Iranian engineers have considered retrofitting the Russian-designed Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F that powers the Su-30 into the Iranian F-14s, to replace the Pratt & Whitney TF30 engine while also replaceing the Tomcat’s pre-digital-age AN/AWG-9 radar with a contemporary Russian model, such as the Phazotron N010 Zhuk or the NIIP N011M Bars.

Hence we can see from here, that the Mig-29 is matched more with an F-14, a fighter of its class and type, clearly superior to any F-18 variants.

Russians who bought off a few Tomcats from Iran for testing, found their Migs had superior qualities.

[The_Burning_Kid]

Last time i checked Mig-29 also featured such a helmet. Either way Mig-29E will win against any american aircraft in both BVR and upclose, thats a given, with new electronics this bird is as maneuvarable as ever, more so then any american aircraft.

You really are a chip off the old block?

The electronics of the MiG-29 are primitive compared to any 4th generation US fighter (F/A-18E/F). It isn't even a contest in BVR.

[The_Burning_Kid]

Iranian engineers have considered retrofitting the Russian-designed Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F that powers the Su-30 into the Iranian F-14s, to replace the Pratt & Whitney TF30 engine while also replaceing the Tomcat’s pre-digital-age AN/AWG-9 radar with a contemporary Russian model, such as the Phazotron N010 Zhuk or the NIIP N011M Bars.

Hence we can see from here, that the Mig-29 is matched more with an F-14, a fighter of its class and type, clearly superior to any F-18 variants.

Russians who bought off a few Tomcats from Iran for testing, found their Migs had superior qualities.

Oh really, provide some links? And no the competitor with the F-14 would be the Su-27 or Su-30 since its double seat.

[Rusky]

You really are a chip off the old block?

The electronics of the MiG-29 are primitive compared to any 4th generation US fighter (F/A-18E/F). It isn't even a contest in BVR.

Ah, please atleast read before you post. Maybe thats new to you but denial isn't the best debating tactic. The Mig-29E avionics are not only as good as F-18, they are better, it isn't a contest in BVR, Mig-29 would win hands down.

[Bill]

Ah, please atleast read before you post. Maybe thats new to you but denial isn't the best debating tactic. The Mig-29E avionics are not only as good as F-18, they are better, it isn't a contest in BVR, Mig-29 would win hands down.

LOL, you've been reading too much Pravda.

[troung]

Iranian engineers have considered retrofitting the Russian-designed Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F that powers the Su-30 into the Iranian F-14s, to replace the Pratt & Whitney TF30 engine while also replaceing the Tomcat’s pre-digital-age AN/AWG-9 radar with a contemporary Russian model, such as the Phazotron N010 Zhuk or the NIIP N011M Bars.

Nope all just baseless rumors. There is a reason they stopped buying MiG-29s after all.

Russians who bought off a few Tomcats from Iran for testing, found their Migs had superior qualities.

Never happened....

Hence we can see from here, that the Mig-29 is matched more with an F-14, a fighter of its class and type, clearly superior to any F-18 variants.

Eat broken glass... Mr Vastu...

Last time i checked Mig-29 also featured such a helmet. Either way Mig-29E will win against any american aircraft in both BVR and upclose, thats a given, with new electronics this bird is as maneuvarable as ever, more so then any american aircraft.

MiG-29 have been killed in droves for no loss in the real world to American planes. The R-27R is far from an impressive missile compared to the AIM-120. Blah blah blah said it all and heard it all before....

[Captain Drunk]

Su-30 is a 4.5 generation fighter, while though Mig-29 maybe fourth generation, I'll say it superceeds F-18 by far, it not the F-14. So Mig-29 beats F-18 by far. Also theres no way an F-18 can beat a Mig-25, its weapons and slow speed is useless although Foxbat is a third generation fighter.

[Rusky]

Su-30 is a 4.5 generation fighter, while though Mig-29 maybe fourth generation, I'll say it superceeds F-18 by far, it not the F-14. So Mig-29 beats F-18 by far. Also theres no way an F-18 can beat a Mig-25, its weapons and slow speed is useless although Foxbat is a third generation fighter.

You probably want to go with Mig-31 instead of Mig-25 on that one.

[Rusky]

Nope all just baseless rumors. There is a reason they stopped buying MiG-29s after all.



Never happened....



Eat broken glass... Mr Vastu...



MiG-29 have been killed in droves for no loss in the real world to American planes. The R-27R is far from an impressive missile compared to the AIM-120. Blah blah blah said it all and heard it all before....

Right. Just because you deny facts does not make you right. It is a very nonconstructive way to put up your argument, basically you putting your hands over your ears and yelling LALALALALALA. Also Mig-29 has many modifications, the latest ones (Mig-29E) are capable of combating any western aircraft with a decent chance of winning, yes Mig has a bad record, no that does not mean that the plane is technological inferior, its simply not.

[Rusky]

LOL, you've been reading too much Pravda.

And you sir obviously haven't been reading anything at all. But hey, do it man, use google, find all the info you need, show me beyond any reasonable doubt that the avionics on Mig-29E are so much worse then those on F-18 that Mig-29E has no chance against F-18. You can't, because their not, but i would like to see you try.

[indianguy4u]

This incessant degrading of russian equipments by many members here just shows the lack of information & general apthy towards anything russian. Similar was the case of IAF during '90 & ealier. RAND came out with a report on IAF & was very critical of all aspects of IAF. It was called as incapable & inept etc. But this myth was torn to pieces in cope '04, '05; garuda I & II etc. Just go through the US pilots accounts on mig 21 & 29 & su30mk. Nothing different than whats going on against russian AC.

[The_Burning_Kid]

Ah, please atleast read before you post. Maybe thats new to you but denial isn't the best debating tactic. The Mig-29E avionics are not only as good as F-18, they are better, it isn't a contest in BVR, Mig-29 would win hands down.

Oh yeah, I'm scared of a MiG-29E that someone that has proved his incompetence in other matters says is better than the F/A-18E/F. Stop living in fantasy world.

[The_Burning_Kid]

This incessant degrading of russian equipments by many members here just shows the lack of information & general apthy towards anything russian. Similar was the case of IAF during '90 & ealier. RAND came out with a report on IAF & was very critical of all aspects of IAF. It was called as incapable & inept etc. But this myth was torn to pieces in cope '04, '05; garuda I & II etc. Just go through the US pilots accounts on mig 21 & 29 & su30mk. Nothing different than whats going on against russian AC.

Any you call yourself an Indian? I thought you would've known that those Indian aircrafts use Israeli, French, and Indian avionics instead of Russian. Why would that be if Russian avionics are so good? And please don't even use those excercises as an example. We all know that the thing was so heavily favored for the Indians it doesn't even make sense to think that they would lose.

[indianguy4u]

Any you call yourself an Indian?

Any doubts?

I thought you would've known that those Indian aircrafts use Israeli, French, and Indian avionics instead of Russian. Why would that be if Russian avionics are so good?

Again wrong. Only Su30MKI uses the mix of french, israeli & indian avionics parts. While the rest use the original russians parts. Only those upgraded bisons, harriers, jags use mix of israeli, french & indian along with russian parts.

And please don't even use those excercises as an example. We all know that the thing was so heavily favored for the Indians it doesn't even make sense to think that they would lose.

Here is bluesman's post regarding the exercise link & this is the thread.

I work with a guy here that knows the whole story about this exercise. I know, I always seem to know the guy who did...whatever. But it's true: the Air Force captain that wrote the RoE for that Alaskan exercise sits right next to me. And he has LOTS to say about this topic.

1. The Indians brought their 'A' game, and everybody was a sh!t-hot stick actuator: senior, high-time guys.

2. They flew against the Americans that happened to be scheduled to fly: guys a year out of UPT, lieutenants, captains, the general membership of that squadron's roster, with no ringers.

3. The Indians were EXCELLENT stick-and-rudder guys, and it must be admitted that for whatever reasons, they flew VERY well, and showed our guys that fighter pilots do not necessarily have to be from Nellis or Miramar; they may be from a place with too many or not enough vowels.

4. After the whining started up from the American fighter chimps that had just gotten a rude awakening, the American Air Force general in charge of it told 'em all to go radio silent and LEARN from it, instead of letting bruised egos make 'em justify to each other why they had just flown to a tied score with a Brand X air force, and LEARN from the experience. You didn't have the ability to fire whole bunches of AMRAAMs and then just fly back to the O'Club after winning the war single-handedly? You didn't have all the AWACS all the time? You didn't have electronic dominance of the enemy's comms and radars? TOUGH! Find out how good at BFM they are; find out how good YOU are. After all, that was the entire point of the whole dam' exercise, not so they could hangar-fly with the Barstoolers and talk about how dam' COOL they are, after the zillionth straight 'win'. NOTHING TEACHES BETTER LESSONS THAN DOING WORSE ON A FAIR TEST THAN YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE CAPABLE OF.

5. The Indians did not 'win', but they did WAY better than the Americans expected. The Americans did not 'lose', but they had a lot to learn from an air force that, until then, they had not given much respect to. I bet nobody in the American fighter community makes the mistake of underestimating their opponents for a long time.

And that's a VERY Good Thing.