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    For those not speaking French: Macron has announced that France is requisitioning all stocks of protective masks and production means for them.

    Germany is considering the same step, subject to a currently ongoing review of stocks.

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    yes this is why i figure N95 masks were hard to find on Amazon.com some time back. The US govt was buying them up for the same reason.

    At this point in time there are two points of view

    The official view and the one that says the officials are lying.

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    This is the Wuhan shake, expect it will catch on like wildfire


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    These are the official stats as of just now

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    Some people are saying the real figures are much higher. How much higher ?

    Lancet put out an article at the end of Jan where they estimated number of infected would double every 6 days

    That means 5 doublings every month.

    If we assume patient 0 was infected at the beginning of December and we're in March now.

    Total number of infected should be 2^15 = 32 k

    This number is below the official number

    Now if we take November as the start it is 2^20 = 1 million 50k infected

    This assumes no quarantine is in place.

    But there is one in Wuhan & wider Hubei and people cannot leave home and have to report regularly to the govt they are at home.

    So i don't see any reason to think the number of infected is actually in the millions as some seem to think.

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    The number of new cases seems to be leveling out. This is an indication that quarantine is working. Now it will drag on like this for month before dropping.

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    It is catching on. There's even an auxiliary move known as the San Remo bump


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
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    Numbers are now significantly higher in Europe than in the chart.

    Italy - 4,636 cases
    Germany - 639 cases
    France - 613 cases

    Italy reports 822 new infections and 49 newly deceased within the last 24 hours (for overall 200). Overall fatality rate in Italy is 4.25% assumed to be due to high median age of population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Numbers are now significantly higher in Europe than in the chart.

    Italy - 4,636 cases
    Germany - 639 cases
    France - 613 cases

    Italy reports 822 new infections and 49 newly deceased within the last 24 hours (for overall 200). Overall fatality rate in Italy is 4.25% assumed to be due to high median age of population.
    Yes because they have increased testing.

    South Korea has completed 100k tests to date.

    China's test rate is 1.5 million per week
    Last edited by Double Edge; 07 Mar 20, at 00:07.

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    Germany tests about 11,000 per week.

    However tests are only performed if a person with acute respiratory symptoms has either:
    - had contact with a person tested positive for Covid-19 or
    - has been in a high-risk area of infection (currently: Hubei, Ghom, Gyeongsangbuk-do and some provinces of north Italy).

    Of the 639 cases in Germany 329 occured in a single county, with 1 in 773 people there tested positive - a similar rate of occurence as in Hubei.

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    Here's a comment I caught in Campbell's channel

    Here in Germany politicians act as if they were smarter than our best virologists. Economy is more important than health.
    He seems to think 60 - 80% of the planet will eventually get it. Course this will be a milder form than the more virulent strains going around.
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    The deal with masks from one of the comments on this video

    Time for a reality check: No mask will protect you 100% and most masks will do little to prevent you from inhaling the virus, as it is even smaller than what n95 masks filter for. They may reduce the chance of inhaling the virus by a small amount, but only if worn properly. This is because the virus us usually clustered on saliva or moisture droplets when it is exhaled or coughed out into the air. However, once those droplets dry out, the virus is still there stuck to your mask. HOWEVER, masks will do two very important things.

    1. They will reduce the chance of touching your nose or mouth. Because COVID-19 and other diseases (such as influenza) survive on surfaces for a period of time, possibly several days, it will reduce your chance transferring it from surfaces to yourself, and of spreading it by transferring it from yourself to surfaces. But this is ONLY if worn properly, removed properly, and disposed of properly. You can still catch it from touching your eyes though, so washing your hands properly and very often is still necessary. Eye protection can also help remind you not to touch your eyes, but some people wearing glasses tend to push them up or down and fiddle with them, which has the opposite effect.

    2. Masks can somewhat reduce the amount of virus and bacteria people spread when coughing/sneezing etc. Just as with inhaling, the virus is small enough to be exhaled through any common type of mask. But again, moisture from your breath will cling to the inside of the mask, trapping a small amount of the virus. Because COVID-19 can be spread for 2 weeks or more before people start showing symptoms, anything to prevent the spread is crucial, even if it is only partly effective.

    So should you hoard masks? No!!! Many countries have a serious shortage of them, and you want medical professionals to have every tool they can to prevent spreading it among patients. The more effective medical care givers are at containing this, the less risk everyone has of catching it. This may change once they are more readily available, but until there is a surplus, no stocking up.

    Should you have a few and wear them in certain circumstances? In my personal (nonprofessional) opinion... probably. If you have been exposed to a person or location involving travelers or sick people, you should stay away from others and wear them when personal contact is necessary. If you are visiting with someone who is ill, elderly, or has long term health problems, wear one. If you are ill, definitely wear one. However, remember they will only reduce the odds of transmission a small amount. If you don't come in contact with at risk people or their living space, you can't give it to them. Isolating yourself when ill is the only 100% effective way to prevent giving it to others.

    Ideally, most people circulating in countries with cases should assume they might have a case but no symptoms, and take the same precautions to protect others as they would if they had influenza. This includes staying home/limiting contact with others, excellent hygiene and hand washing, using tissues to sneeze/cough/wipe and as a barrier between your fingers and public buttons/handles/surfaces, cleaning and disinfecting all surfaces with special attention to places touched often (light switches, door handles/doors, appliances, touch screens, keyboards, wall corners/molding/door frames/railings, toilets, sinks, writing instruments, etc.), and following any and all prevention methods medical professionals recommend. In fact, for every stinkin' aspect of disease care and prevention, please only take professional medical advice! (Remember, politicians are NOT medical professionals, and even some medical experts bow to political pressure when making statements.)

    Please note that gloves only protect your skin, and unless you have an injury or open sore, you can't catch COVID-19 through your skin... hand washing is actually very effective. If you touch an infected surface while wearing gloves, then touch your eyes/nose/mouth, it will transfer just as well as if you were not wearing gloves. Gloves are only useful if you NEVER touch yourself while wearing them, and properly dispose of them and wash thoroughly when you take them off. As with masks, gloves can be a good reminder though. Stay safe, take care of yourself, use your best judgement, be extra careful, and ignore what anyone else thinks of your informed choices. Educate yourself and do what you believe is right, no matter what anyone else says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    The deal with masks from one of the comments on this
    Good stuff, but there's a third very important use for masks: communication.
    Back in 2003, during SARS, the best thing masks did was to inform those who didn't pay any attention to the news that Something Was Wrong.
    In Hong Kong, spitting almost stopped altogether for about 10-12 years. It started to make a comeback only around 2012-15.
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    I'm an economist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    It is catching on. There's even an auxiliary move known as the San Remo bump

    With people coughing into their elbow, bumping elbows is not such a good idea. A nod and/or verbal greeting is adequate for anyone outside of the household.
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    Italy has expanded the quarantine zone to include 16 million people - 80% of those in the wider Milano area, the fourth-most-populous agglomeration in the European Union. Lockdown on travel to and from the region will be effective for 4 weeks for now.

    5,883 cases as of yesterday evening. 2,651 of these are hospitalized -

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
    With people coughing into their elbow, bumping elbows is not such a good idea. A nod and/or verbal greeting is adequate for anyone outside of the household.
    Might work in some cultures but harder in others.

    In France shaking hands is very common almost expected as is kissing cheeks.

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