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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Chinese copies are litterally $1 a piece. They don't meet NBC requirements but for this specific purpose, they more than suffice. I'm not criticizing the cops. They have a job to do but you think their chief would spring $20 for his men.
    I am hoping China will have supplies of these suits. There are Chinese companies absolutely desperate to meet the demand if only they can get their workers back into the factories. As things ease there more get back to work and supply resumes for the very long line of countries facing shortages of critical equipment.

    Many of these companies could not get approval to sell in China because the quality did not meet the grade but that restriction has been waived for exports. For the purposes its here it ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Kato, you're living in a developed country. What's normal for you is luxury for most of us here.
    Umm, i'm surprised he had a BCG injection because TB isn't prevalent in the west. Since when did Germans have TB ?

    It's more common in developing countries with a history of TB to have a mass BCG innoculation program.

    TB killed Jinnah in 1948, oh how different Pakistan's trajectory could have been had he lived longer.

    BCG is almost a hundred years old, its not a luxury to have even half a century back.

    India eradicated small pox in 1979.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Care homes, hospitals and similar medical institutions immediately issued no-visitor rules nation-wide. Only staff is allowed in. Since then it is only allowed to enter a senior citizen home to visit a person on their deathbed (literally), and even that would be subject to precautions. Most professional nursing care providers that care for people at their private homes operate similarly - no visitors at their offices, no one coming back from a job or going out to the next one gets in or out without desinfection.
    A simple rule that costs nothing but every country can implement. The result is striking. How many lives were saved due to a simple policy like this. German doctors do not need to make these horrible decisions of who will or will not get to be on the ventilator.

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    However residents can still venture out of their care homes - they're not under lockdown - and that's something that operators running such homes do criticize in public. Some get a bit creative in how to keep the people in their rooms, a local large care home for example now has socalled "garden concerts" where they play classic music on loudspeakers from the garden while people can roll out on balconies "to enjoy spring" ... from their safe isolation.

    There are now increasingly outbreaks that are hitting the senior citizen homes though. Usually with over half of residents and staff infected, and 10% fatalities within the first few days.
    So we see the limits of not having a shelter in place policy. The odds of infection rise for the vulnerable.

    What is the problem here ? three generations ago people were asked to sacrifice for their country, this time they are only being told to stay indoors and watch TV.


    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Privately i would say that most people here are self-isolating to a large extent, and in particular older people. As an example my aunt celebrated her 82nd birthday two weeks ago; out of 20 guests only 9 attended (and only 3 of them over 60), the rest was staying home isolating to protect either themselves or vulnerable people in their household.
    This is remarkable. Two weeks ago Germany had around 7,000+ infected yet the party still went ahead.

    I was nervous about letting the maid in today when she showed up as I wanted to limit the exposure of outsiders to the elders. She showed up wearing a scarf which was a good sign. The compliance with wearing masks from what i saw in the neighbourhood last week was quite good considering about 30% were wearing them the weeks prior.

    I gave her a cloth mask to wear and she went on with her job. She can reuse it after washing. I've decided to limit her visits to once a week instead of every three days. I am gambling here but maybe its a low one. We need her to come. Didn't know how to bring her over as all public transport as well as private has been stopped. So she walked.

    Her husband and son were stuck at home without work since the lockdown began Mar 23 so she's desperate to earn something. She had no trouble getting her food so there is no shortage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Umm, i'm surprised he had a BCG injection because TB isn't prevalent in the west. Since when did Germans have TB ?
    In the 1940s and 1950s Tb was relatively widespread in Germany, with 100,000-150,000 cases per year (a similar prevalence to India today). It primarily spread through the 12 million refugees coming from Eastern Europe after the war that were distributed all over Germany.

    Mass innoculation started around 1950 and within the next 30 years dropped not just cases in general, but factually eradicated Tb as a factor in infant mortality (reduction by 97% !). Around the time i was born it was still 30,000 cases per year, nowadays 5,000. The mass innoculation programme was lifted when it dropped below 10,000 cases per year. The overwhelming majority of Tb cases in Germany nowadays are immigrants who aren't innoculated. Among Germans it only occurs in people born before the innoculation programme.

    Between ca 1950 and the mid 80s in most states in parallel to the innoculation programme there was mandatory mass screening of the population - mobile x-ray stations in busses coming into towns and villages and the entire population being required to be tested for tuberculosis. Coverage was 85-90% of the population. In the military we all got this screening as well up until 2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    I have 2 scars on my upper left arm. Mom doesn't remember what they're for. Polio was taken care of through drops. So, what are those for? Maybe they made me invincible.
    I have those two as well, they are given to babies.

    BCG will be at the top of the arm. It seems you did not get one as it tends to inflame a bit after and there is pus which heals few weeks later. It isn't painful but it its something you don't forget.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    I said muslims as I didn't know BCG (as you're saying now) was a universal policy. I thought it had to be taken orally and the costs were quite high, and so probably only the wealthy would opt for it. But TB cases are still very high in India, why?
    Polio is taken by drops.

    Will answer your question later

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    Economic fallout of COVID-19 in Pakistan: People under poverty line may double to 125 million

    Problem is, the dire the economic situation is in Pakistan, the fertile the ground becomes for the PA/ISI to hire unemployed youths for the numerous terror organizations they've created.
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    Discrimination amid pandemic, Pakistan refuses to give food to Hindus as coronavirus rages

    A decade from now, the world community will be forced to decide if they want Pakistan to exist as a dysfunctional terrorist state. India will decide much before that.

    Scoundrels. A blot in the name of humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    I have those two as well, they are given to babies.

    BCG will be at the top of the arm. It seems you did not get one as it tends to inflame a bit after and there is pus which heals few weeks later. It isn't painful but it its something you don't forget.

    Polio is taken by drops.

    Will answer your question later
    As I said I have 2. One is at the top of my left upper arm, which is a big scar. Another is at the lower shoulder of my left arm, which is the small one.

    I also had vaccinations for Hepatitis, 23 years back when I was studying B.Tech, as I suffered from the disease badly. I don't think I had a flu vaccination, pretty sure about it actually. Need to make a list of vaccinations available, then take them one by one. That will be the smartest thing to do. Thanks Xi.
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