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  • #16
    I never said I did have a say... nor do you 'have a say'. I merely say it misleading to speak of "Indian oppression" of anything in comparison their Chinese neighbours.

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    • #17
      Genuine question, why should the form of government in China vis-a-vis that in India affect how the US treats them?

      It's understandable for countries where democratic alternatives would lean towards the US. In China's case, the power competition would probably remain. E.g. claims on Tibet, SCS, Xinjiang, Hong Kong and maybe Mongolia; energy security; and food security.

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      • #18
        Colonel OOE, GVChamp - Kashmir is what Nehru's folly alongwith Britain's imperialistic mindset gave us. At one point, even the US was supporting masters of Jihadis, killing innocent people in Kashmir. And that changed after 9/11. Kashmir is not oppressed. Both of you need to understand the issues behind it before talking about it in the same breath as China. Pakistan is the problem, it is Pakistan that send numerous Jihadis who have made Kashmir a killing field. And US still mollycoddles Pakistan. Ahhh, Canada, harbours Sikh terrorists that are funded by the notorious ISI. Both of you should understand the real issues plaguing Kashmir. There are even threads about it in this very board.

        And Colonel, when did India try to censor US media? I don't like left-leaning US publications, does it mean that I make India's foreign policy?

        GVChamp - outsourced call-centers to India, has long left India for the Philippines. India has no territorial claims, apart from PoK. That was legal, is legal, and will be legal. We have the instrument of accession of Kashmir with the Union of India. See below.

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        Kashmir is Indian real-estate. Tomorrow, day after tomorrow, or 10 years from tomorrow, we will take Kashmir by force, if nothing else.
        Last edited by Oracle; 15 Jul 20,, 13:07.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by snapper View Post
          I never said I did have a say... nor do you 'have a say'. I merely say it misleading to speak of "Indian oppression" of anything in comparison their Chinese neighbours.
          Oh I do have a say and my say is that neither India nor China has a right to censor us! PERIOD! We have a right to expose their dirty laundry. Just because India's laundry basket is much smaller does not give them more rights to censor us.
          Chimo

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            Colonel OOE, GVChamp - Kashmir is what Nehru's folly alongwith Britain's imperialistic mindset gave us. At one point, even the US was supporting masters of Jihadis, killing innocent people in Kashmir. And that changed after 9/11. Kashmir is not oppressed. Both of you need to understand the issues behind it before talking about it in the same breath as China. Pakistan is the problem, it is Pakistan that send numerous Jihadis who have made Kashmir a killing field. And US still mollycoddles Pakistan. Ahhh, Canada, harbours Sikh terrorists that are funded by the notorious ISI. Both of you should understand the real issues plaguing Kashmir. There are even threads about it in this very board.
            J&K has an insurgency. It maybe a low level insurgency but it is still an insurgency with all the ugliness an insurgency brings.

            Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            And Colonel, when did India try to censor US media? I don't like left-leaning US publications, does it mean that I make India's foreign policy?
            Both the NBA and ESPN are in India with Indian permission. By voicing their displeasure, both are now warned to self-censor less their merchandizing and broadcast license be underthreat. Just look at how many Chinese apps are now banned in India.

            Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            Kashmir is Indian real-estate. Tomorrow, day after tomorrow, or 10 years from tomorrow, we will take Kashmir by force, if nothing else.
            There's another name for that. It's called an occupation. Not here to debate who's right or wrong but we in the West have a right to spout as much garbage and truth as we want .
            Chimo

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            • #21
              Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
              J&K has an insurgency. It maybe a low level insurgency but it is still an insurgency with all the ugliness an insurgency brings.
              Yes, and Pakistan supports it, and US doesn't even flinch. Who got killed in Afghanistan in the 1000s? It ain't the Indians. Who was responsible for that? Again, it ain't the Indians. Sometimes, try to think about the ugly realities for what it is, rather than geo-strategic gains. What has stupid geo-strategic interests given US? I want to know, tell me. As of today I want to know those gains.

              Short-term American thinking has led to where we are today. You may not like it, but the fault lies with your past administrations. Not absolving India of her guilt here. No.

              Both the NBA and ESPN are in India with Indian permission. By voicing their displeasure, both are now warned to self-censor less their merchandizing and broadcast license be underthreat.
              In India, if you want to have a TV channel or print media or even digital media, you need permission. Heck, I need permission too. And what self-censorship are you talking about, I don't know about it. Source please.

              Just look at how many Chinese apps are now banned in India.
              And why are they banned? You don't know?

              Why is Meng Wanzhou in detention in Canada? Why did US sanction officials of Xinjiang and HongKong?

              I want FaceBook and WhatsApp to be banned in India? You know why? Because criminals use it to start a riot, and killings and what not. This is my reason. There's 2G active in Kashmir, precisely because when 3G starts, Pak sponsored rioting and killing starts too.

              There's another name for that. It's called an occupation. Not here to debate who's right or wrong but we in the West have a right to spout as much garbage and truth as we want .
              Not when we have the legal document. No. You have all the freedom to call it occupation, I have all the freedom to call it propaganda. Many among US think-tanks don't agree with you, and I know you will not like it, but there's a first time for everything.
              Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                Yes, and Pakistan supports it, and US doesn't even flinch. Who got killed in Afghanistan in the 1000s? It ain't the Indians. Who was responsible for that? Again, it ain't the Indians. Sometimes, try to think about the ugly realities for what it is, rather than geo-strategic gains. What has stupid geo-strategic interests given US? I want to know, tell me. As of today I want to know those gains.
                You serious? India is cobbled with the Pakistani monkey on her back. As much as the US spouts about being India's friend, we're not going to get that monkey off your back.

                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                Short-term American thinking has led to where we are today. You may not like it, but the fault lies with your past administrations. Not absolving India of her guilt here. No.
                WWIII thinking, by its very definition, is short term thinking. During my time, we were seriously thinking that there's no way to avoid WWIII. It scared enough people in the West to hold unilateral disarmament marches. Better to live under communism for them than to die in WWIII. You know how India was viewed.

                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                In India, if you want to have a TV channel or print media or even digital media, you need permission. Heck, I need permission too. And what self-censorship are you talking about, I don't know about it. Source please.
                How do I give you a source of people shutting up? You can't hear silence.

                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                And why are they banned? You don't know?
                For security reasons. Here's the thing. Those Chinese apps collects the same information as Google, Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram, and every other social communication app. They collect IP addresses, location, pictures, contact list, etc. They have to in order to relay where you are and what you want to share across their servers to your friends. If you don't want the Chinese to have access to this info, why are you letting Google and Facebook have it?

                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                Why is Meng Wanzhou in detention in Canada? Why did US sanction officials of Xinjiang and HongKong?
                Bottom line on this. Because we want to.

                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                Not when we have the legal document. No. You have all the freedom to call it occupation, I have all the freedom to call it propaganda. Many among US think-tanks don't agree with you, and I know you will not like it, but there's a first time for everything.
                I've lived long enough to learn that you can always get around pieces of paper. The USSR was dissolved. Taiwan got kicked out of the P5. Yugoslavia broke up. India refusing to acknowledge Russian inheritance of Soviet loans. Get enough lawyers together and they can come up with language to do anything ... as long as you have the guns backing them up.

                I'm not the person you have to convince that it's not an occupation. It's the insurgent with the guns you have to convince. To paraphrase myself. All insurgencies, low level or not, are ugly and there's no clean way to fight it. Never has. Never will.
                Chimo

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                  You serious? India is cobbled with the Pakistani monkey on her back. As much as the US spouts about being India's friend, we're not going to get that monkey off your back.
                  India doesn't need American help to tame Pakistani monkey. Just, please, do not interfere like you've been doing for the last 70 years. Interfering didn't help save East Pakistan, did it?

                  Friend or ally, these are just terms that are nice to hear. When mutual interests converge we will work together. Where are US-Pak ties now, as compared to, say, before Laden was killed in Abbotabad. And where are US-India ties now, as compared to the Cold War. Even when we don't abandon our strategic autonomy, and we are hell bent on keeping that, US finds a way to convince our government to get indulged in deals and groupings. It might not mean anything to you, but we are there, aren't we? Why did the US give India a civil-nuke deal? Business. But, just business?

                  Things are changing, Sir, slowly but surely. I refuse to be part of the Cold War mentality, that see things through past perceptions, and wants to be held hostage to it. Hooked onto the past, we can never forge ahead. Time is coming to build a new order, and that does not include China or Pakistan or Iran or Turkey or etcetera. You very well understand what I'm trying to say.

                  Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                  WWIII thinking, by its very definition, is short term thinking. During my time, we were seriously thinking that there's no way to avoid WWIII. It scared enough people in the West to hold unilateral disarmament marches. Better to live under communism for them than to die in WWIII. You know how India was viewed.
                  Hmmmm.

                  How do I give you a source of people shutting up? You can't hear silence.
                  Sir, please. US heard screams of all those Bangladeshi women being raped by the Pakistani Army, the genocide taking place, and looked the other way. Strategic gains, huh.

                  US media and silent. You are not being serious. Washington Post, Times, NYTimes etc carry provocative editorials/articles about the Modi led Government, and I still can access them. Where does their ad revenue go? Yes, America. Sir, I post both sides of the story when I find it, but I am center-right, not by chance, but by choice. You very well know how I view the Congress, socialists and the communists. Left or right, media is compromised in today's world. We need to acknowledge this fact.

                  For security reasons. Here's the thing. Those Chinese apps collects the same information as Google, Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram, and every other social communication app. They collect IP addresses, location, pictures, contact list, etc. They have to in order to relay where you are and what you want to share across their servers to your friends. If you don't want the Chinese to have access to this info, why are you letting Google and Facebook have it?
                  We are retaliating against Chinese digital business, for the clash that happened, since we cannot retaliate against Chinese manufacturing. We also have told FB, Google, and all other big digital companies to build data-centres in India to keep our data inside our borders. But, US administration doesn't like it, as pressure from digital companies rise, they want free flowing information across geographies so that they can mine those data, but we are holding our line, for now.

                  But, as I said it, banning Chinese apps was a retaliation. Oh, one thing, India is not serious about cyber security.

                  Bottom line on this. Because we want to.
                  Exactly. Because we also want to. It's not like we would go to war with US if one day we ban Google. China has long banned American digital companies.

                  I've lived long enough to learn that you can always get around pieces of paper. The USSR was dissolved. Taiwan got kicked out of the P5. Yugoslavia broke up. India refusing to acknowledge Russian inheritance of Soviet loans. Get enough lawyers together and they can come up with language to do anything ... as long as you have the guns backing them up.
                  I don't know about this part. Source please.

                  You have served with honour. Not doubting your experiences. I'm challenging your future perceptions, about Indo-US, about Indo-China, about so many things. Good, bad, right, wrong. I could be 100% wrong. Or I could be a bit right, not to spite you, but to see democracy, human and civil rights, free press and all such things associated with free countries progress. I don't think I am asking too much, I am just asking for my basic rights.

                  I'm not the person you have to convince that it's not an occupation. It's the insurgent with the guns you have to convince. To paraphrase myself. All insurgencies, low level or not, are ugly and there's no clean way to fight it. Never has. Never will.
                  We have to convince ourselves first, that we need to let the Indian Army cross the border and let things finish on a logical level. Defang and de-arm the PA. Hang all those still alive for the genocide in Bangladesh, and responsible for 1000s of killings in Kashmir till date.
                  Last edited by Oracle; 15 Jul 20,, 17:23.
                  Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                  • #24
                    Colonel, you now have 2000 posts. Congratulations. And now we are in a new thread. Lol, hahahaha.
                    Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                      Oh I do have a say and my say is that neither India nor China has a right to censor us! PERIOD! We have a right to expose their dirty laundry. Just because India's laundry basket is much smaller does not give them more rights to censor us.
                      Then by what right do you have say and I not? I prefer a country where people can have a meaningful vote and worship my/their God(s) freely, that permits critical voices to be heard. I do not apologise for being a conservative democrat.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        Friend or ally, these are just terms that are nice to hear. When mutual interests converge we will work together. Where are US-Pak ties now, as compared to, say, before Laden was killed in Abbotabad. And where are US-India ties now, as compared to the Cold War. Even when we don't abandon our strategic autonomy, and we are hell bent on keeping that, US finds a way to convince our government to get indulged in deals and groupings. It might not mean anything to you, but we are there, aren't we? Why did the US give India a civil-nuke deal? Business. But, just business?
                        You give the US too much credit. We're both democracies and as democracies, we are at the whims of the administrations in power. Bush pushed for 123. Obama wanted to reverse 123. Trump ... well Trump.

                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        Hmmmm.

                        Sir, please. US heard screams of all those Bangladeshi women being raped by the Pakistani Army, the genocide taking place, and looked the other way. Strategic gains, huh.

                        US media and silent. You are joking. Washington Post, Times, NYTimes etc carry provocative editorials/articles about the Modi led Government, and I still can access them. Where does their ad revenue go? Yes, US. Sir, I post both sides of the story when I find it, but I am center-right, not by chance, but by choice. You very well know how I view the Congress, socialists and the communists. Left or right, media is compromised in today's world. We need to acknowledge this fact.
                        Today? I have news for you. You ain't special. 2 million Cambodians and 700,000+ Rwandans also didn't make front page news. Out of curiousity, did you hear about the 2nd Congo War where 5+ million people died? Also not fornt page news.

                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        Exactly. Because we also want to. It's not like we would go to war with US if one day we ban Google.
                        Good luck with that. Google owns ANDROID. You could come up with your own linux code but it won't be accepted by the world and certainly will not be trusted by the world. Case in point: Huawei.

                        But the point remains. At a moment's notice, any foreign company doing business in India can lose their investment if they pissed off Dehli.

                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        I don't know about this part. Source please.
                        It's in my library somewhere that has been packed away into storage. Pretty sure it was an IISS Publication but can't remember if it's MILITARY BALANCE or STRATEGIC REVIEW. I'm damned sure it's between the years 1995 to 1997. You know, the days when the real internet was paper based, and not digital based.

                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        You have served with honour. Not doubting your experiences. I'm challenging your future perceptions, about Indo-US, about Indo-China, about so many things. Good, bad, right, wrong. I could be 100% wrong. Or I could be a bit right, not to spite you, but to see democracy, human and civil rights, free press and all such things associated with free countries progress. I don't think I am asking too much, I am just asking for my basic rights.
                        Cynicism is an old age thing. I've lived through clown acts before though Trump is a first. I've seen millions of people demanding rights but very few accepting responsibility. Why is Canada being bossed around by Trump? Because we goddamned don't want to pay for our own defence and want the Americans to give us factories so we can have a higher standards of living.

                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        We have to convince ourselves first, that we need to let the Indian Army cross the border and let things finish on a logical level. Defang and de-arm the PA. Hang all those still alive for the genocide in Bangladesh, and responsible for 1000s of killings in Kashmir till date.
                        Like I said before, India is not afraid of losing a war in Pakistan. India is afraid of winning a war in Pakistan. Do you really want another Bangladesh on your borders? Despite your military budgets, it is far cheaper to allow the Pakistani Army to keep Pakistanis in Pakistan.
                        Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 15 Jul 20,, 18:54.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by snapper View Post
                          Then by what right do you have say and I not? I prefer a country where people can have a meaningful vote and worship my/their God(s) freely, that permits critical voices to be heard. I do not apologise for being a conservative democrat.
                          So you prefer India to have a right to censor us? Because this is what this entire topic is all about! Your right ceases to exist once it harms others who are stronger than you.

                          You ain't no democrat precisely because you do not respect the voter's choice: Case in point - Trump. I don't like the fuck either but I respect the Americans enough not to insult their President with false allegations that have been proven to be without foundation no matter what your attempt in creating lies.
                          Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 15 Jul 20,, 17:44.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                            You give the US too much credit. We're both democracies and as democracies, we are at the whims of the administrations in power. Bush pushed for 123. Obama wanted to reverse 123. Trump ... well Trump.
                            No I am not giving any credit, I actually complained about US past indulgences. Indo-US relationship is on an upward trajectory, and it will be such barring minor irritants. Not manufacturing or any BS that newspapers like to yell about. You're right about we being at the whims of administration in power, but you forget the various shifts happening in world politics right now. What just happened at the Indo-China border has pushed India to evaluate its decision to not-interfere (non alignment) in other countries internal affairs and maintain a strategic autonomy.

                            Obama wanted to reverse 123? Source?

                            Today? I have news for you. You ain't special. 2 million Cambodians and 700,000+ Rwandans also didn't make front page news. Out of curiousity, did you hear about the 2nd Congo War where 5+ million people died? Also not fornt page news.
                            I am against entitlement. And anyway, what I said about compromised media is true then, since it has been happening for far too long. I did hear about 2nd Congo war in passing, but didn't pay much attention to it. But tell me, was/is Congo an US ally? Pakistan was in 1971.

                            Good luck with that. Google owns ANDROID. You could come up with your own linux code but it won't be accepted by the world and certainly will not be trusted by the world. Case in point: Huawei.
                            Google just invested $4.5 Billion in Reliance Jio, amongst other things, Google will make a light version of Android that works well on entry level smartphones. See below of all other companies that has invested in Jio till now.

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                            I am hearing for the last 10 years why can't India build a Google or a FaceBook. Well, how about this, why can't America build a Jio?

                            Yes, we can come up with a better version of Android, and without Government interference, people all over will use that. If not, 1.3 billion Indians would use it. India is protectionist at trade, but is not closed like China.

                            But the point remains. At a moment's notice, any foreign company doing business in India can lose their investment if they pissed off Dehli.
                            If past is any prelude, India learnt from her mistakes in the 80s. It's the other way right now, with US sanctioning China hook, line and sinker.

                            It's in my library somewhere that has been packed away into storage. Pretty sure it was an IISS Publication but can't remember if it's MILITARY BALANCE or STRATEGIC REVIEW. I'm damned sure it's between the years 1995 to 1997. You know, the days when the real internet was paper based, and not digital based.
                            I'll take your word for that. Also, do my own research.

                            Cynicism is an old age thing. I've lived through clown acts before though Trump is a first. I've seen millions of people demanding rights but very few accepting responsibility. Why is Canada being bossed around by Trump? Because we goddamned don't want to pay for our own defence and want the Americans to give us factories so we can have a higher standards of living.
                            Well, I don't have anything to add to that. We pay for our defence, but our politicians are very stingy.

                            Like I said before, India is not afraid of losing a war in Pakistan. India is afraid of winning a war in Pakistan. Do you really want another Bangladesh on your borders? Despite your military budgets, it is far cheaper to allow the Pakistani Army to keep Pakistanis in Pakistan.
                            Whatever we talked about through PMs or in open threads has not worked till now vis-a-vis Pakistan. Give me a solution to stop the flow of terrorism from Pakistan, and I'll change my views.
                            Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              No I am not giving any credit, I actually complained about US past indulgences. Indo-US relationship is on an upward trajectory, and it will be such barring minor irritants. Not manufacturing or any BS that newspapers like to yell about. You're right about we being at the whims of administration in power, but you forget the various shifts happening in world politics right now. What just happened at the Indo-China border has pushed India to evaluate its decision to not-interfere (non alignment) in other countries internal affairs and maintain a strategic autonomy.
                              Actually I go alot further back then that. China was WWII ally-Cold War Enemy-Cold War Ally-Present Day Strategic Competitor (we ain't going away from China made microwaves anytime soon and China still needs to sell those microwaves). And I lived through three of those Cold War Enemy/Ally-Present Day Strategic Competitor. I've also saw Moscow gone from enemy to friend back to enemy. So to say it's all roses between the US and India ... well my cynicism ain't seeing it.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              Obama wanted to reverse 123? Source?
                              FMCT. Effectively stops all Indian and Pakistani nuclear weapons research and production.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              I am against entitlement. And anyway, what I said about compromised media is true then, since it has been happening for far too long. I did hear about 2nd Congo war in passing, but didn't pay much attention to it. But tell me, was/is Congo an US ally? Pakistan was in 1971.
                              You've missed the point. The Americans couldn't care less. We've allied ourselves with the likes of Stalin against Hitler and Mao/Deng against Brezhnev. Stalin/Mao/Deng were no angels. So tiny Pakistan don't even register a blurp.

                              Also, we know that someday that India would be a challenge to our interests. That's just the way things have historically worked. So keeping Pakistan around is somewhat handy.

                              RE 1971: you do know the USS ENTERPRISE was nearby.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              Google just invested $4.5 Billion in Reliance Jio, amongst other things, Google will make a light version of Android that works well on entry level smartphones. See below of all other companies that has invested in Jio till now.
                              Why not? Someone else have done the heavy lifting. Time to cash in.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              I am hearing for the last 10 years why can't India build a Google or a FaceBook. Well, how about this, why can't America build a Jio?
                              Generational skip. Even today, the West is still heavily reliant on copper POT (Plain Old Telephone) with heavy investments in fibre optic trunks in the 1980s and 90s. The life cycles of those investments have not finished paying off and you can still leverage of off it. Connect your cell tower to the fibre optic trunk and you reduced your airways throughput needs a 1000 fold. India did not have the copper POT investments the US had. Therefore, it was far more economical to use cellular technology. A cell tower is a lot cheaper than running copper to all the houses and between all the towns and cities. Now we're talking 5G but even then, it will still leverage off the existing fibre optic trunks.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              Yes, we can come up with a better version of Android, and without Government interference, people all over will use that. If not, 1.3 billion Indians would use it. India is protectionist at trade, but is not closed like China.
                              But would businesses use it? The thing about Google is that it grew the technology and the support. Any app is the Google Playstore is verified by Google, ie, no company does not have to go through the time and expense to test everything under the sun and to make sure that it's not tamper with. Google guarrantees that any app in its playstore has no malware (for whatever that is worth, I'm sure there are legalese somewhere that says they won't pay a cent for damages).

                              Anything else right now, including Huawei, is use at your own risk.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              If past is any prelude, India learnt from her mistakes in the 80s. It's the other way right now, with US sanctioning China hook, line and sinker.
                              Not the first time, the Chinese economy collapsed after tanks rolled through Tianamen Square. DXP broke the sanctions by offerring bargin basement prices. Our relationship with China is ... complicated.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              Well, I don't have anything to add to that. We pay for our defence, but our politicians are very stingy.
                              I'll trade you Canadian procurement for yours. We got our subs, tanks, and planes 2nd hand.

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              Whatever we talked about through PMs or in open threads has not worked till now vis-a-vis Pakistan. Give me a solution to stop the flow of terrorism from Pakistan, and I'll change my views.
                              You missed the point. Fighting off one single terror strike and even the Kargil War is a hell of a lot cheaper than a 5 million new border crossers looking for a hand out in India.
                              Chimo

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                                So you prefer India to have a right to censor us? Because this is what this entire topic is all about! Your right ceases to exist once it harms others who are stronger than you.
                                Might does not equal right. That is what is known as logical fallacy; argumentum ad baculum (arguing with a stick).

                                Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                                You ain't no democrat precisely because you do not respect the voter's choice: Case in point - Trump. I don't like the fuck either but I respect the Americans enough not to insult their President with false allegations that have been proven to be without foundation no matter what your attempt in creating lies.
                                A. Which 'false allegations'? B. Why do not have to right to say the truth?

                                I am quite happy to put my hands up and criticise those who I have foolish voted for in the past if/when they do foolish or underhanded things. Are you saying that a person must a passport of a country to criticise that countries Government? The whole of world criticises illegal actions by other countries... Napoleon, Hitler, Putin/Crimea... C. If this is ALL about India "censoring you" does not China? And why did you raise Kashmir if that is your sole issue?
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