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    Post 2008 populism.

    Fiona Hill (who was on the US NSC and gave testimony in Trumpkins impeachment hearing) compares the US, UK and Muscovy:


    Its all about style and swagger and atmospherics, with superficial solutions to things, with lots of sloganeering, and obviously dealing with a pandemic is pretty methodical and boring. It requires an awful lot of planning and logistical organization and you cant just sort of do it on the fly with an ad hoc coalition.

    Well worth reading for when it happens again: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lism-interview

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    “It’s all about style and swagger and atmospherics, with superficial solutions to things, with lots of sloganeering, and obviously dealing with a pandemic is pretty methodical and boring. It requires an awful lot of planning and logistical organization and you can’t just sort of do it on the fly with an ad hoc coalition.”

    Well worth reading for when it happens again: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lism-interview
    Well, its going on now and in more countries than you think.

    Let's start with the word you used. Populism. There is a negative connotation to it.

    But that's not how it's seen in India. We've had populist govts for decades.

    Populist here means party that doles out benefits, sops, bailouts, jobs, reservations gets into office.

    From a conservative pov this is terrible.

    The word you really want to use is nationalism. The flag being the last refuge of scoundrels bla bla. Has to be a leftie that came up with that phrase. Nationalism is an even worse word in the west but its the apt term.

    Now i heard this line that govts that have a poor performance to legitimacy record resort to nationalism and when push comes to shove, ultra-nationalism ie China and its antics these days. Country with the worst performing govt in the world right now is China.

    These movements started post 2008 as economic growth stagnated. Parties needed something extra to get people excited and thereby enter office.

    Identity. To this they added populism. So called centre right parties aping their competition in the doles stakes.

    MAGA, Brexit and how Vlad makes Russia appear more important than it really is by involving in a number of locations. Make Russia great again. Vlad is the best ticket to glory of the Soviet era.

    All three fit into that category. Identity.

    To this you can add the countries of Brazil, Japan, India & Israel as well.

    Charge is all these govts (seven of them) do not perform well yet have good public support.

    Challenge those that support the govt of these countries that they have not performed as well not just with COVID but in general you will get pushback.

    Because yes, true in some instance and not in others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Let's start with the word you used. Populism. There is a negative connotation to it.
    I use the word 'populism' because it the word used in the article. Sure 'populism' has negative connotations because doing what is most 'popular' is sometimes not in the best long term interests of a country.


    Nor do I think 'populism' is necessarily the same as 'nationalism' though both postulate fictional 'quick fix remedies' to solve the perceived grievances of their people. Zelensky in Ukraine I would call a 'populist'; "All we have to do to end the war is just stop shooting"; a childishly easy remedy which is totally misguided. No way is he a 'nationalist' though.

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