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    If this creature is present in Minneapolis, and it seems that it is according to this tweet, or it is seen anywhere near the protests that are currently unfolding in the US...well, my friendly advice to the US law enforcement is : detain on site and send to maximum security prison for multiple life sentences without any chance of parole.This is the by far, the most destructive person on earth. The CANVAS virus that has been cooked in Serbia during the 90es is million times more deadly than SARS Cov 2 or Ebola.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tivist-protest

    I freaking knew it, I knew it that they are behind it. The social media mobilizations, the synchronization, the jamming of Chicago PD radio frequencies with our pseudo folk music, it all makes sense now, the footprint is the same and so familiar, but I had to wait to for them to pop up their ugly heads to be sure. I am usually a calm person but seeing this makes my blood boil. At all costs, you must contain this threat, the future of the US is at stake.
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    translation?
    Trust me?
    I'm an economist!

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    His calling of the hoax is explained with context and the timeline matches well with what the WHO and the CDC had been saying. If anything, Trump was parroting the WHO and the CDC, so I don't get when the WHO was sending out serious signals BEFORE Trump acted.

    If anything, it was US intelligence, NOT THE WHO, that called Chinese numbers into question and it was Trump, not the WHO, who called Xi a liar.
    yes, US intelligence called Chinese numbers into question, starting in early January. in fact, from what we know open source, US intel was warning Trump since December.

    WHO called this a global public health emergency on 30 January. Trump's first action was on 31 January, partially banning entry for foreign nationals coming from China.

    he then spent the entire month of February kissing Xi's butt-- even though he was supposed to be aware from US intel that Xi was lying through his teeth.

    it was at the END of February, Trump said: "“When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

    March 6: “Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is.” that's a lie, three months later.

    March 10: “This was unexpected. … And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

    it wasn't until March 16, with over 4600 US cases, that he announced his social distancing guidelines.

    so yeah, the WHO did a bad job, and yes, Tedros was busy kissing Xi's butt. but Tedros was always Beijing's creature, and in the end, the WHO is an international organization that provides advice.

    Trump had access to US intel and medical expertise. he spent several crucial months ignoring all of that, congratulating himself and kissing Xi's butt -- what excuse does he have, as President of the United States?

    off the top of my head, Germany, South Korea, Canada, Taiwan all had access to the same crappy advice from the WHO (and Taiwan's not even in the WHO); somehow they have done significantly better, both absolutely and relatively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    translation?
    "The leader of the OTPOR (the Resistance), organizer of the October 5th revolution and the Soros's mercenary Srdja Popovic sends his warm regards from Minneapolis? Are the things a bit clearer now?" The man has a portfolio like no other. Libya, Venezuela, Egypt, Syria, Brasil to name a few...He knows the business and now he is in the US doing apparently the same. I mean, you have one of the elite soldiers at hand here, freaking seal team six times 10 in terms of psy ops.

    And its no wonder, because it was created by the best, col. Robert Helvey, whom in itself is a more than impressive character when you look at his bio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    Trump had access to US intel and medical expertise. he spent several crucial months ignoring all of that, congratulating himself and kissing Xi's butt -- what excuse does he have, as President of the United States?
    The same excuse that everyone else had. The CDC and the WHO.

    Redfield believed the CDC could contain the outbreak. The WHO did NOT declare a pandemic until 11 March. Open source intel also suggested China's EXTREMELY harsh reaction - IN HOME QUARRANTINE and essentially quarrantining an entire province was effective.

    So, again, I do NOT see Trump's initial faults - that he initially chosed to believe Teldros and Redfield over Faucci and Blix. China's numbers not withstanding, China's quarrantine was effective. So again, I do not see fault.

    Where fault do occur is when Trump DID NOT fix his mistakes. Leaders are human and humans make mistakes. That's the one thing about leadership. You will make mistakes. You will lose people because of your mistakes ... but fix your goddamned mistakes. He should have fired Redfield on the spot when Redfield could not deliver results even after the lock down.

    And to show you just on reliant EVERYONE was on the CDC and the WHO, the Chief Public Health Officer of Canada, Dr Theresa Tam, also a member of the WHO Committee, stated There is no clear evidence that this virus is spread easily from person to person. The risk to Canadians remains low." It was NOT until after the WHO declared a pandemic that Tam started to take things seriously. Someone was not doing her job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    The enemy of the good is the great.
    WHO ain't perfect, therefore destroy WHO.

    Sheesh.
    Who said anything about destroy ? he wants reform, he wants independence.

    Letter is dated May 18 so a month from now is when the freeze happens.

    As he says in his letter

    The only way forward for the World Health Organization is if it can actually demonstrate independence from China.

    My Administration has already started discussions with you on how to reform the organization. But action is needed quickly. We do not have time to waste.

    That is why it is my duty, as President of the United States, to inform you that, if the World Health Organization does not commit to major substantive improvements within the next 30 days, I will make my temporary freeze of United States funding to the World Health Organization permanent and reconsider our membership in the organization.

    I cannot allow American taxpayer dollars to continue to finance an organization that, in its present state, is so clearly not serving America’s interests.
    That independence part matters as any enquiry into the orgins of this virus by WHO in China would be like the accomplice & crook investigating the crime.


    After Ebola they tried the reform thing but nothing really has changed. This is what the then DG said

    Chan, meanwhile, is trying to bring about the revolution needed to ensure the WHO is fit to fight the next pandemic.

    In May, she told the World Health Assembly in Geneva: “I am committed to building an organisation with the culture, systems and resources to lead the response to outbreaks and other health emergencies. ”

    She was creating, she said, “a single new programme for health emergencies, uniting all our outbreak and emergency resources”.

    It would have benchmarks for what must be done within 24, 48 and 72 hours of an outbreak – rather than over the course of months.
    Did we see any of that this time around ? Cases in China by end Dec, PHEIC on Jan 30 and then 'pandemic' on Mar 11 is still "over the course of months".

    Posted about Ebola already here and was surprised to find out how similar the outcome and the lack of action taken in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Versus View Post
    "The leader of the OTPOR (the Resistance), organizer of the October 5th revolution and the Soros's mercenary Srdja Popovic sends his warm regards from Minneapolis? Are the things a bit clearer now?" The man has a portfolio like no other. Libya, Venezuela, Egypt, Syria, Brasil to name a few...He knows the business and now he is in the US doing apparently the same. I mean, you have one of the elite soldiers at hand here, freaking seal team six times 10 in terms of psy ops.

    And its no wonder, because it was created by the best, col. Robert Helvey, whom in itself is a more than impressive character when you look at his bio.
    We had this conversation some time before : )

    At the time i was interested in toppling Arab dictators.

    These ideas and what is happening in the US reminds me of the citizenship bill protests in India.

    Spreads fast, many cities, all peaceful. False pretenses and the media laps it up for their own agendas.

    But i think people of HK have added their own twist. Taken the idea further.

    People of HK today define non-violent protest
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    yes, US intelligence called Chinese numbers into question, starting in early January. in fact, from what we know open source, US intel was warning Trump since December.

    WHO called this a global public health emergency on 30 January. Trump's first action was on 31 January, partially banning entry for foreign nationals coming from China.

    he then spent the entire month of February kissing Xi's butt-- even though he was supposed to be aware from US intel that Xi was lying through his teeth.

    it was at the END of February, Trump said: "“When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

    March 6: “Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is.” that's a lie, three months later.

    March 10: “This was unexpected. … And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

    it wasn't until March 16, with over 4600 US cases, that he announced his social distancing guidelines.

    so yeah, the WHO did a bad job, and yes, Tedros was busy kissing Xi's butt. but Tedros was always Beijing's creature, and in the end, the WHO is an international organization that provides advice.

    Trump had access to US intel and medical expertise. he spent several crucial months ignoring all of that, congratulating himself and kissing Xi's butt -- what excuse does he have, as President of the United States?

    off the top of my head, Germany, South Korea, Canada, Taiwan all had access to the same crappy advice from the WHO (and Taiwan's not even in the WHO); somehow they have done significantly better, both absolutely and relatively.
    Taiwan didn't buy the WHO's advice. They took their own decisions and acted.

    The part you left out is Mar 11, WHO declares pandemic and on this day Trump announces the travel ban with Europe.

    Why does he do that on Mar 11 ? because the WHO declared pandemic.

    Why did the world not get PHEIC on Jan 30. it's not just Trump & US intel missing a trick here its the whole world.

    For Trump to save the US he'd have had to suspend all flights to the US from that point on. People would then think he really was mad.

    There was no way he could have done it. No one could pull off a Taiwan here.

    The only people who knew was Taiwan & China. Nobody listens to Taiwan and China was playing it cool.

    Tedros dilemma or alibi was if he called China out in time, then China would clam up. Who buys this ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    We had this conversation some time before : )

    At the time i was interested in toppling Arab dictators.

    These ideas and what is happening in the US reminds me of the citizenship bill protests in India.

    Spreads fast, many cities, all peaceful. False pretenses and the media laps it up for their own agendas.

    But i think people of HK have added their own twist. Taken the idea further.

    People of HK today define non-violent protest
    Oh no, it is a much wider agenda in question and the things in the US will get,sadly, much more "interesting" very soon.

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    Taiwan didn't buy the WHO's advice. They took their own decisions and acted.

    The part you left out is Mar 11, WHO declares pandemic and on this day Trump announces the travel ban with Europe.

    Why does he do that on Mar 11 ? because the WHO declared pandemic.

    Why did the world not get PHEIC on Jan 30. it's not just Trump & US intel missing a trick here its the whole world.

    For Trump to save the US he'd have had to suspend all flights to the US from that point on. People would then think he really was mad.

    There was no way he could have done it. No one could pull off a Taiwan here.

    The only people who knew was Taiwan & China. Nobody listens to Taiwan and China was playing it cool.

    Tedros dilemma or alibi was if he called China out in time, then China would clam up. Who buys this ?
    I listed other countries, you know.

    Germany. South Korea. Japan. Canada.

    the best you can say about the US response was that it's middling among the Western developed nations in terms of COVID deaths per capita.

    I suspect this will go to middling-low among the developed nations over the next month or two, because US COVID cases remain stubborn at roughly 20,000 new cases a day (a figure likely to tick up due to the state re-openings in the last few weeks).

    which means leadership messed up big time, because prior to the pandemic the US was rated most prepared.

    OoE's argument is that Trump's real screw-up was not fixing his mistakes. yeah, he definitely screwed up there, no argument from me.

    but given what his own doctors and intel agencies were telling him, I say that Trump screwed up in the beginning too. I could forgive January, no one in the West took it that seriously then. but February, he should have woken up. and he didn't. he didn't wake up until mid-March.

    and Americans are paying the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    I listed other countries, you know.
    ... Canada.
    Oh, we were so not ready. In fact, we swallowed the WHO koolaide a lot longer than the US. Simple numbers tell you that we're on par with the US. We're at 7K+ deaths at ~10% of the US population. We're on par with the US per capita. Our saving grace if you call it that is that we don't have a NYC hub like the US.

    The road to Canada's COVID-19 outbreak, Pt. 2: timeline of federal government failure at border to slow the virus | Edmonton Journal
    Feb. 19: Canada now has eight cases, seven of them confirmed from China, one still under investigation. Federal health authorities decide to start collecting personal contact information from inbound Hubei travellers which can be used by public health officials to follow up with people if an outbreak emerged, the CBC’s John Paul Tasker would later reveal in an April post. “Between Jan. 22 and Feb. 18, 58,000 travellers arrived in Canada from China — 2,030 of them were coming from Hubei province. Only 68 were pulled aside for further assessment by a quarantine officer and only three passengers were actually flagged for a medical exam — the other 65 passengers were sent away with a pamphlet.”

    Feb. 20: Patty Hajdu tweets out travel update: “While the risk to Canadians remains low, if you are returning from a region with a confirmed case of #COVID19, and you are unwell or unsure of your health, I encourage you to self isolate and notify local health officials.”

    Feb. 20: Patty Hajdu tweets out travel update: “While the risk to Canadians remains low, if you are returning from a region with a confirmed case of #COVID19, and you are unwell or unsure of your health, I encourage you to self isolate and notify local health officials.”

    Feb. 26: At Health Committee, Jeneroux asks about a statement Tam had made to CTV on Feb. 24: “She stated that the more countries are infected, the less effective and feasible it is to close our borders. I am curious if this is some sort of admittance that the government should have shut down the borders when China was — from what we understood at the time — the only country that was heavily infected.”

    Dr. Howard Njoo, Deputy Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada replies to Jeneroux: “Not at all. We certainly understand that border measures are just one layer in a multi-system approach to preventing and hopefully controlling the spread of COVID-19 in Canada. It’s never been understood or recognized that border measures alone will stop it. We know that with this disease — as with many other infectious diseases — there is something called an ‘incubation period.’ Someone could actually be harbouring the disease, virus or bacteria and come into Canada feeling totally well, having no symptoms at all, and then only declare and come forward with symptoms once they have actually entered the country.”
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    Njoo insists Canada is doing well: “We have contained the virus. There have been 12 cases to date in Canada. That’s a relatively low number compared to other countries. All of the cases, I would say, are isolated or at least isolated to travellers coming to Canada or their very close contacts. Nine of the cases coming to Canada were all linked to travel to China. Now the three most recent ones — which is quite interesting in many ways — are linked to travel from Iran.

    Njoo shoots down idea of closing borders: “Let me respond to the previous comment about the border measures. I can’t speak for Dr. Tam — I’m sure she’ll have the opportunity to maybe clarify or speak for herself in terms of border measures — but it’s not about closing the borders. From a public health perspective, closing the borders has never proven to be effective in terms of stopping the spread or the introduction of disease into any country. I think what Dr. Tam might have been thinking about with the border measures was in terms of looking at what’s happened in other countries, such as Italy now, and the spread to many other countries and regions. The supplementary border measures that we’ve had up to date include giving additional information to travellers from China, from Hubei province. You can imagine how if that list gets expanded — to Japan, South Korea, Italy and so on — obviously, there will be a trickle-down effect in terms of what provincial authorities may need to follow up on.”
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    Njoo also adds: “At the same time that Canada is still maintaining its containment posture, if I can put it that way, we’re also starting to prepare for a possible pandemic. We can’t do this with our eyes closed and not recognize what might happen weeks and months from now, which has nothing to do, maybe, specifically with Canada but with what’s happening internationally.

    “To give you an example of the kinds of things we’re looking at — I think it’s the same for other countries around the world — should there be widespread transmission in Canada and in many other parts of the world, we would be looking at such measures as what we call “social distancing.” Do we need to start looking at cancelling mass gatherings and public events? Would there be things like looking at what we need to do with schools, and students attending schools, and people sick in the hospitals and so on?
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    “That’s all in the future. We’re certainly not there yet, but we are actually taking a close look and making sure we’re prepared for that.”

    Feb. 26. NDP MP Jenny Kwan brings up the case of a traveller from affected Iran arriving in British Columbia at a time when Canada has no screening of travellers from Iran: “Given that this is the case, there are now notices in schools in British Columbia about this, precisely to the point…. Their screenings could be missed. A person could be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and be missed because they are not travelling back from Hubei province, and now that person is in an area in British Columbia potentially wider than what we anticipated to begin with.”
    The road to Canada's COVID-19 outbreak, Pt. 3: timeline of federal government failure at border to slow the virus | Edmonton Journal

    March 9: Alain Rayes, Conservative MP for Richmond-Arthabaska, Que, asks in the House: “Many countries are starting to talk about COVID-19 as a global pandemic. As of today, the vast majority of developed countries have already implemented measures for travellers. Here in Canada, there are no restrictions on or monitoring of people entering the country. My question is for the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Does he intend to ban travellers from countries such as China, Iran or Italy from entering Canada?”
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    Health Minister Patty Hajdu replies: “We have been carefully screening travellers from a variety of countries, based on expert advice from the World Health Organization and many other medical professionals that have indicated to us that the best effort is to ensure we are asking travellers at the border to identify themselves, if they have travelled from specific regions. There are special questions on the kiosks. If a traveller is unwell, he or she is referred to public health and the local public health authorities.”

    Bloc MP Kristina Michaud asks: “On Friday, travellers at the Montréal-Trudeau International Airport complained that passengers arriving from at-risk areas were not being tested. Some travellers even likened the airport to a sieve. We need to protect the public against the spread of this virus. The government must issue clear directives to ensure that no cases of the virus are allowed in. Will the government set up detection measures for the coronavirus at all border crossings, starting with airports?”

    March 11: Dr. Theresa Tam,Canada’s chief public health officer, at Parliamentary Health Committee: “The WHO did call this a pandemic today, but the key message is that all countries can still change the course of this pandemic by doing a number of things. I will go through them very quickly, but I believe we’re already doing them.”

    In her list of things needed to be done, she did not include border closures or strictures, but says: “Second is to detect and then to protect the population, and to treat if necessary. I think the detection is very important. We have been setting up surveillance systems and laboratory testing since the start.”
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    Bloc MP Luc Thériault asks: “You said earlier that, from the start, you’ve managed this crisis as if it were a pandemic. With all due respect, I doubt this very much … The federal government must — and this falls under its jurisdiction — protect the public, properly identify cases and determine any restriction. In that respect, the news isn’t necessarily good, based on what we’re hearing from the customs workers. Will you tighten up these measures? When will the Public Health Agency of Canada take responsibility for tightening up screening measures and send clear guidelines to the Canada Border Services Agency officers working at the border? Your current approach is to inform people and let them decide what they must do in terms of good practices to protect themselves. When will the Public Health Agency of Canada take responsibility for tightening up screening measures and send clear guidelines to the Canada Border Services Agency officers working at the border?”
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    Hajdu replies: “I’ll first of all say that we’ve been using science and evidence to make the decisions around borders. I’ll point you to Italy, who had some of the strongest border measures in the G7, who closed their borders in fact to China, and who then, all of a sudden, had an incredible outbreak. That’s because … of course, the science will settle this as well, but there is some speculation that it’s because people came in from a whole bunch of other routes that were not as direct.

    “Instead, we chose to use World Health Organization recommendations that said it is much better to have targeted measures at the border. That helps you identify the people who are coming from severely affected areas, which can help ensure that you know who is coming in, that they have the information about what to do and that we can monitor them as they self-isolate.
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    “The first location that was added to the screening kiosk was Hubei. When people came from an affected region, they were met by CBSA and public health officials. CBSA would pull them aside and ask them some questions about their health. Public health would work with them, if in fact they were symptomatic, and would transfer them to the local health facility. If they were not symptomatic, then they were asked to self-isolate at home with a mandatory requirement to check in with public health within 24 hours. We have evidence that there was a very high compliance rate. We added Iran as a country of concern as well, because Iran, obviously, had cases that in fact weren’t detected until we had identified a case from Iran. I would also remind you that a virus does not know borders. Over 100 countries now have coronavirus in their country. No country will be left unaffected by the t

    Tam adds: “I think that in the public health domain we certainly have to remember that our borders are not a solid wall, as was just said. They’re but one layer of protection, and it is never a perfect layer. The greater the number of countries affected, you can imagine that trying to screen people at the borders becomes a much more ineffective means of addressing the coronavirus outbreak.

    “Nonetheless, we do use a very rigorous risk assessment. We’ve also put several countries on our level three travel health notice, those being China, Iran and, now, all of Italy and some areas of Korea. You have to focus your efforts. Otherwise, you’re screening every single traveller.
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    “What we have chosen to do, which I think is really important, is to tell every international traveller that when they come back into Canada or come into Canada they must watch for symptoms, immediately go home if they’re sick and then call ahead to their health system. It is not manageable with over a hundred countries having coronavirus. You need to shore up your health system, protect the vulnerable, such as those in long-term care facilities and hospitals, and protect your health workers.

    “It is a massive societal effort. Every aspect of the public health system is already turned on and fully alert, but you cannot flatten this curve without every member of the public working with you. That’s why, while borders are one layer, the other layers are more important if you’re going to actually do something about breaking any chains of transmission in Canada.
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    “I do know that we have really stepped up our presence at the border. I think the border is the moment for education and telling people what to do when they come in.”

    Tam mentions the mortality rate for this virus was just under 1 per cent. “I think we can assume that this is an outbreak that’s very serious … Right now the best estimate is that it could be just under one per cent, depending on which country you’re in, whereas a pandemic influenza, the worst one, is going to be one per cent to two per cent. If this is close enough to a one per cent case fatality, it is a very serious situation.

    “It is the first coronavirus to cause a pandemic. It is probably a virus that has hit the sweet spot. It is not completely lethal, so there are people with mild illnesses and a range of clinical symptoms who can transmit the virus, for instance. The severe end of the spectrum is with people who are older in age and have underlying medical conditions, but there’s a bulk of the illness in working-age adults. We’re not seeing it much in kids.
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    “If you looked at the full range of mild, moderate and severe and were looking at the likelihood of exposure versus the severity of the disease, this is hitting at about a moderate or medium scenario. However, viruses always have surprises, which is why we have to keep monitoring it. It may change the trajectory.”

    March 12. It is announced that the Prime Minister’s wife Sophie Gregoire has contracted COVID-19 and the Prime Minister has gone into 14-day sequestration.

    In the House of Commons, Conservative leader Andrew Scheer sates: “The World Health Organization has declared coronavirus to be a pandemic, and while the government says that the risk to Canadians is low, countries around the world are taking decisive action. Italy is one of the hardest-hit countries and it has initiated many measures to lock parts of that country down. However, when the final flight out of Italy landed here, passengers were not screened. No temperatures were taken and no one was quarantined. They were given a pamphlet and sent on their way. Is the government convinced that a departmental pamphlet is enough to reduce the spread of this disease?”
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    Chrystia Freeland,deputy prime minister and minister of intergovernmental affairs, replies: “We need to continue to listen to our medical experts. They are telling us that the situation will get worse before it gets better. They also say that Canada is well prepared.”

    March 12: Bloc MP Claude DeBellefeuille asks in the House: “Just yesterday, travellers arriving from Italy at Pierre Elliott Trudeau airport were shocked to see that no one asked them any questions. They were coming from one of the largest outbreak zones in the world, yet they were simply handed a pamphlet. This afternoon, the government’s travel advisory for Europe still indicated the lowest possible risk level, even though when we are in a full-blown pandemic. There is a happy medium between panicking and doing nothing. Will the government finally take real measures to monitor the coronavirus?”
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    There's more but we were just as fucked up as Trump's clown act. We closed our borders a lot later than Trump and our lockdowns were later. We keep swallowing the WHO koolaide and as you can see we kept praising China long after Trump stopped. And be advised, because of the Five Eyes, we had the same intel. Trump ain't the only one to ignore the intel.

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    We're at 7K+ deaths at ~10% of the US population. We're on par with the US per capita. Our saving grace if you call it that is that we don't have a NYC hub like the US.
    I see 7,326 deaths in a population of 37.5 million.

    US is currently at 106,925 deaths in a population of 328.5 million.

    simple arithmetic, if we had deaths on your country's par, we'd be at 64,176 deaths.

    that's not nothing -- that difference there is more than US total combat casualties in the Korean War. the difference is that it's been three, four months instead of three years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    that's not nothing -- that difference there is more than US total combat casualties in the Korean War. the difference is that it's been three, four months instead of three years.
    You're ignoring the point that Canada was more fucked up than the US at the beginning of this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    You're ignoring the point that Canada was more fucked up than the US at the beginning of this thing.
    Sir, how so? Can you provide some details or anecdotes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Sir, how so? Can you provide some details or anecdotes?
    Canada was still swallowing the WHO Koolaide long after Trump had stopped. Our border screening consist of a single self administered pamphlet that SUGGESTS that you contact a medical professional if you're feeling sick. In many cases, the pamphlet was not even passed out at all. We were totally reliant on China to keep her sick in China and kept praising China for her efforts all the way into March. Dr Tam, our Chief Public Health Officer, prasied China and at no time even questioned China. Eric said that Trump had all the intel about China. Well, so did we (Five Eyes) and we ignored them just as much as Trump did.

    We kept open borders long after Trump started shutting down the US and American lock downs came a lot earlier than ours. Trudeau and Tam stated that we can keep our borders open and by observing screening protocals, we can prevent COVID-19, deceiving the Canadain public that the protocal was nothing more than a pamphlet telling you to seek medical advice. And at times, the pamphlet was not even passed out. I'm under no illusions that COVID-19 had crossed into the US through Canada.

    The government kept insisting that it is reliant on their medical experts for advice without telling Canada that that expertise was the WHO, Dr Tam sits on the WHO Committee and her stuff was filtered through Teldros and at no time, question the advice. You know how well the WHO had managed this clusterfuck.

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