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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    His point is how do you make things in space. You seem to think that can be solved. I'm not so convinced.

    It would take a massive investment to build the infrastructure. What will be the impetus to do that ?

    Let's say we get past this then the question of finding those minerals comes up

    Do we know what is out there and where it is ? no, we have to go prospecting

    Let's say we find a rock that has what we want. How then do we guide it to its destination to process it

    Nudge it towards the moon and then let it impact at some designated point ?

    We go back to the initial question ? why do it in the first place

    Unless what we want is no longer available here and we have no other choice.

    When is that likely to be the case ? i don't know.
    How do you make things in space?
    Theorum says that you would start with a small operation launched from Earth. The mining equipment of the operation would be remote controlled from the safety of either a space craft or a land base on a separate asteroid or the Moon. Starting slow, the resource would be returned to Earth to sell and reinvest back into the mining operation. This would grow the operation to whatever size needed to satisfy the owner, setting up operation in a hollowed out asteroid or on the Moon, where climate controlled production facilities would process the resources that can be used to build more craft. Just like any other business you wouldn't start off with a huge and grand operation. This would all happen over years of time.

    All of the technology exists to make this happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Plans View Post
    Just like any other business you wouldn't start off with a huge and grand operation. This would all happen over years of time.
    But by its very nature, this has to be huge and a grand operation. To deliver the ROVER to Mars took over a $billion and all we got back are nice pictures and some measurements

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    But by its very nature, this has to be huge and a grand operation. To deliver the ROVER to Mars took over a $billion and all we got back are nice pictures and some measurements
    Of course this sort of thing would be expensive. But regardless of however many billions of dollars the price tag would total, all that money would amount to far less in physical volume and weight that the crafts and equipment would possess than if the same amount were spent on an Earth-bound operation.

    A lot of that money would go into the launch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Plans View Post
    Of course this sort of thing would be expensive. But regardless of however many billions of dollars the price tag would total, all that money would amount to far less in physical volume and weight that the crafts and equipment would possess than if the same amount were spent on an Earth-bound operation.

    A lot of that money would go into the launch.
    Are you reading what you wrote? So you're telling me that it is cheaper to goto an asteroid that we don't know what it has, tens of light minutes out into space, than to mine the stuff on earth? In short, we have to spend over a $billion just to send one single drill, never mind a return vehicle, to an asteroid. Even Californium at $25mil per gram, we make that stuff here on earth. About the only stuff more expensive is anti-matter at $62TRILLION per gram but we're not going to find that on an asteroid. So, if you do the math, even an entire asteroid 10 miles across of pure diamond won't be worth the investment to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Are you reading what you wrote? So you're telling me that it is cheaper to goto an asteroid that we don't know what it has, tens of light minutes out into space, than to mine the stuff on earth? In short, we have to spend over a $billion just to send one single drill, never mind a return vehicle, to an asteroid. Even Californium at $25mil per gram, we make that stuff here on earth. About the only stuff more expensive is anti-matter at $62TRILLION per gram but we're not going to find that on an asteroid. So, if you do the math, even an entire asteroid 10 miles across of pure diamond won't be worth the investment to get it.
    Mining is environmentally destructive and space is limited. Also, resources are more abundant on lifeless asteroids and lifeless moons because they lack continental subduction and organic matter. All that dirt is gone and the resources sit closer to the surface in higher abundance because there was less mixing. Some moons half the size of earths moon contain triple the water content of the whole earth, same situation with other elements like nickel and iron and carbons. The extremities of space temperatures also keeps some rare natural earth gases in a crystaline frozen state, giving opportunity to mine higher volumes with less time and energy.

    There were several articles that I read about this a year or two ago published by the leading science journals. What makes space mining so attractive is the possibility of resources thousands of times as abundant as that of mines on earth. This would make companies tens of trillions.

    But with a possibility of a hostile warlike human prescence that could make space mining impossible for private corporations, the hostile environment could force corporations to become their own sovereign nations in order to create their own impenetrable defenses.
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