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Wet markets have opened in China. Sometimes I wish I lived in China. Long time, I had turtle meat. :)
This petition is probably from years earlier, but people are commenting on it now. Must be a PETA/Veg dude.
Regulations and hygiene are needed, don't support outright banning of anything.Last edited by Oracle; 02 Apr 20,, 14:20.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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ICJ moves UNHRC against China for Covid-19 reparations
Just for show, but it will probably damage Xi's ego to some extent. Why would the Chinese create this virus and damage their own economy. That ICJ took up this case smacks of wilful ignorance.Last edited by Oracle; 03 Apr 20,, 16:06.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostWet markets have opened in China. Sometimes I wish I lived in China. Long time, I had turtle meat. :)
This petition is probably from years earlier, but people are commenting on it now. Must be a PETA/Veg dude.
Regulations and hygiene are needed, don't support outright banning of anything.Trust me?
I'm an economist!
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Wuhan guy goes over to Hankou which is a town away over the river Yangtze to meet his m-i-l that his wife has not seen in over two months. As they are about to return they get stopped by cops. They want to see his health pass. Since he's a Brit but living there seven years now, he still hasn't got one yet. After the wife argues a bit they decide to let him pass
Surgical masks appears to be standard issue for Wuhan city police
This got me thinking about this health pass system they have in Wuhan. Its colour coded, green for not infected, yellow for recovered and red for infected. Apparently you can apply for these passes with the wechat app. They do a hell of a lot over wechat in China.
He said he's applied for one now so a week later this won't be an issue.
How effective is such a system. I don't know the extent of the checks system. Whether at the town level or county level. In Wuhan it seems to be at the town level. So at the town limits every one that crosses over needs to show their pass.
How easy is this system to game. If you've never been tested you opt for green. You have green until you develop symptoms and need to seek medical help. You then go into red. At this point you cannot exceed your home town. Once you recover you get into yellow. I don't know how long you remain at yellow and when you move on to green. Maybe a doctor needs to approve that.
For now there is no requirement to get tested to get a pass. But they are encouraged to do so. Wuhan is a city of 11 million. It's like Bangalore in a way, tech city and as populated. That's a hell of a lot of people to test. Even more so if this requirements' scaled up to the provincial and then country level.
China is testing at the rate of over a million a week. Which means in a thousand weeks they will get to everyone ? can't be.
The immediate benefit is keeping the reds from infecting the rest. Ironic in more ways than one given this is China we're talking about : )
It allows life to slowly resume while keeping infected contained. How is China getting back to work. This is how.
Hard to say how feasible implementing a similar system in other countries will be.Last edited by Double Edge; 04 Apr 20,, 02:58.
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Originally posted by DOR View PostHow long since you’ve had hepatitis?Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by DOR View PostHygiene.
It isn't quite the same habit among food handlers in rural China as it might be in Singapore.
As about food handlers, tight regulations are a must if we are to avoid another coronavirus. But that can't be the reason of banning meat altogether. I have grown up eating exotic meat - porcupine, pangolin, turtle and many more + etcetera, it's just that with wildlife regulations in India, those are not that common now.
Every winter, deer meat is available, no one knows and no one cares. If the GoI made licenses available to run a deer farm, those would not be hunted. A fine balance is needed.
P.S.: I don't think anyone will get hepatitis eating meat that is poorly handled. I had hepatitis drinking underground water without filtering it. Didn't knew it back than, but from then on, only bottled water.Last edited by Oracle; 04 Apr 20,, 10:30.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by DOR View PostHygiene.
It isn't quite the same habit among food handlers in rural China as it might be in Singapore.Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 04 Apr 20,, 10:46.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostWhat? Simple knowledge from any hunter since the days of how to make fire. Cook any kill thoroughly.
DOR, are you veg? Are you PETA member? :DPoliticians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostYeah, I don't eat meat raw. If corona type virus is not present in the meat, and it is cooked properly, it is fit for consumption. Never heard of getting hepatitis through meat ever.
DOR, are you veg? Are you PETA member? :D
It's the coffee can full of chopsticks that have been rinsed -- not washed -- under cold water that will get you. And, that's the norm, in my experience, in places that operate under the radar. Unlicensed, or otherwise not anxious to have any health authorities poking around.Trust me?
I'm an economist!
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostP.S.: I don't think anyone will get hepatitis eating meat that is poorly handled. I had hepatitis drinking underground water without filtering it. Didn't knew it back than, but from then on, only bottled water.
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostMidlevel bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said.
The numbers are already very high. They are plausible.
Balls on accurate ? no but in the right ball park perhaps off by a factor not an order of magnitude.
No complete picture of the virus exists anywhere because of factors beyond government suppression, including testing shortages, varying measurement standards and asymptomatic infections that could account for up to 1 in 4 coronavirus cases.
The US intelligence about understated numbers predates recent reporting in the Chinese news media that the death count in Wuhan could be 5,000 or more, double the official number. Intelligence officers have not verified the news media reports and have left them out of their reports, according to people briefed on their work.
The mean time to death from getting infected is only 17 days. At the beginning when the outbreak began there were no test kits. How to say with confidence that this or that death was a C19 death and not something else. It's not obvious. And when the tests showed up they were unreliable. Though i would think the viral load would be high in the case of a death so less ambiguous.
Could it be 5k ? yes but not in the tens of k's
The part all want to know is how the rest of China managed.
Big cities like Shanghai & Beijing were not locked down yet their numbers of affected are low.
More than half of Shanghai's affected are imported and by visitors.
How much under reporting took place outside Hubei.
HK has twice the affected having one third the population of Taiwan. What's happening there.
HK matters because of its density. How did they control it.Last edited by Double Edge; 04 Apr 20,, 16:36.
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Originally posted by DOR View PostNo, I'm a BBQ and ACLU guy.
It's the coffee can full of chopsticks that have been rinsed -- not washed -- under cold water that will get you. And, that's the norm, in my experience, in places that operate under the radar. Unlicensed, or otherwise not anxious to have any health authorities poking around.
I think you're a PETA guy. Otherwise why would you comment on exotic meat eating. Closet PETA guy?
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostHad a relative catch it the same way. Drinking water in a restaurant. This was over two decades ago though.
Talking about meat, I had my last bit of chicken yesterday. Have to manage with fish from now on. DE, my cousin who's in Bangalore tells me that meat is available there (INR 20/kilo of chicken). Only booze shops are closed.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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