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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Well, has there even been a Chinese President who didn't get a second 5 yr term ?

    I can't think of one and they haven't had that many since Mao

    So you watch these things in detail, to me those two year terms gel into one

    Imagine the surprise when people express doubts that 'President for life' won't get an extension.

    Another example, remember that time you were explaining Jiang Zemins problems with the PLA. They would not listen to him.

    PLA is not a national army. PLA is the army of the party.

    So its inconceivable PLA won't follow the CCP chief, yes ?

    ..it happens....
    Just two single-termers in the reform era.
    Mao Zedong (1949-54), Chairman of the People’s Government
    Mao Zedong (1954-59), President of the People’s Republic of China
    Liu Shaoqi (1959-68), President
    Dong Biwu (1972-75), President
    Zhu De (1975-76), Chair of the National People's Congress Standing Committee
    Ye Jianying (1978-83), NPC Chair
    Song Qingling (May 16-28, 1981: honorary; she was dying), NPC Chair
    Li Xiannian (1983-88), President, forced to retire by Deng Xiaoping (and, one of Ye's key co-conspirators)
    Yang Shangkun (1988-93), President, forced to retire by Deng
    Jiang Zemin (1993-2003), President, start of younger leaders given two terms.
    Hu Jintao (2003-13), President
    Xi Jinping (2013-), President

    The PLA didn't follow the leader of the party when Mao died, and we all benefited from that.
    Yes, Hua Guofeng was chairman, but he didn't initiate the coup d'etat against the Gang of Four.
    That was Marshal Ye Jianying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    Just two single-termers in the reform era.
    Mao Zedong (1949-54), Chairman of the People’s Government
    Mao Zedong (1954-59), President of the People’s Republic of China
    Liu Shaoqi (1959-68), President
    Dong Biwu (1972-75), President
    Zhu De (1975-76), Chair of the National People's Congress Standing Committee
    Ye Jianying (1978-83), NPC Chair
    Song Qingling (May 16-28, 1981: honorary; she was dying), NPC Chair
    Li Xiannian (1983-88), President, forced to retire by Deng Xiaoping (and, one of Ye's key co-conspirators)
    Yang Shangkun (1988-93), President, forced to retire by Deng
    Jiang Zemin (1993-2003), President, start of younger leaders given two terms.
    Hu Jintao (2003-13), President
    Xi Jinping (2013-), President]
    Presumably, the bolded are the one term presidents

    Note how you say forced to retire. Meaning a second term is expected unless something goes wrong

    Looking at that list, there might be a path for Xi if that third term does not come up ?

    When will CCP have a woman president ?

    The PLA didn't follow the leader of the party when Mao died, and we all benefited from that.
    Yes, Hua Guofeng was chairman, but he didn't initiate the coup d'etat against the Gang of Four.
    That was Marshal Ye Jianying.
    heh, a coup d'etat but will step away when an acceptable leader presents himself.

    PLA is the benevolent guardian
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    In the early 1980s (after the 1982 12th National Party Congress) when Li Xiannian was president, the job came with an automatic seat on the Politburo Standing Committee. Under the party constitution, the PBSC was this:

    CCP General Secretary (Hu Yaobang)
    National People’s Congress Chair (Ye Jianying)
    Military Affairs Committee Chair (Deng Xiaoping)
    State President (Li Xiannian)
    State Premier (Zhao Ziyang)
    Discipline Inspection Commission Chair (Chen Yun)

    It was the only time those seats were defined by the other job each man held. In 1983, Ye resigned (health reasons) as NPC Chair, and then in 1985 he gave up all posts. During all this, term limits were a big point of discussion, with the Eternal Chairman Mao in the back of everyone’s minds. As an old Marxist planner (and the longest serving politburo member, 1954-88), Li hated Deng's free-market tolerance and had to be shown the door.

    After Ye withdrew, Deng upped the ante to get the remaining Eight Immortals to fully retire. By promising to himself retire, he embarrassed Chen Yun and Li Xiannian out of office, although they are said to have insisted that he retain his role as MAC Chair “for purposes of stability.” That set a precedent that Jiang Zemin (one of Li’s favorites) grabbed to retain control of the PLA after Hu Jintao took over the party.

    Women? China tried that a couple of times in history and didn’t like the results. No female has ever been on the PBSC, although there is often a token one (rarely two) at the politburo level.

    Coup détat? Yes, that's what it's called when it comes at gun point.
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    Are these propaganda videos?
    Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles!

    Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post


    Are these propaganda videos?
    WION is just repeating their earlier news clip from five days ago

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