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  • Originally posted by DOR View Post
    Who are you calling a supporter of China?
    Xi Jingping.

    Is it actually beyond your comprehension that analyzing and understanding a society can be done without taking sides?
    You are not analyzing or understanding any society here. Stop bringing up Japan, we ain't talking about Japan. We had this discussion before, but you can't remember it, so you post nonsense from time to time. Japan of the earlier era != China of this era. Let it sink through.

    Or, do you simply assume that if you ain't with us, you're agin us?
    I agree with Bush Jr. on this. You are either with us, or against us.
    Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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    • 5 plagues from China in last 20 yrs, at some point it has to stop: US NSA

      The 5th plague is the CPC.

      Coronavirus: China’s new army of tough-talking diplomats
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      • China uses trade as weapon to silence virus criticism

        Aussies are not backing down this time.

        US senator unveils 18-point plan to hold China accountable for coronavirus outbreak

        If things unveil the way I think it might, China's economy will take a massive hit, and their terrorist son Pakistan will take the fall, along with their communist daddy.
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        • From India to Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan and Malaysia, territorial aggression seems to have got fresh wind in the past weeks, with the establishment studying if the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is being utilised to suggest that other markets in Asia are not stable enough to move investments.

          An assessment being pursued in New Delhi is that the current round of aggression on all borders could be linked to the fact that over 1,000 firms are in talks to relocate operations from China to India and other nations in the post-Covid scenario.

          Besides India, which is trying to attract work that is expected to exit China, Vietnam is another prospective destination that has shown its ability to capture the market in the past. Indonesia, a G-20 economy, is also an option for businesses exiting China.
          I think this is just us speculating.

          Firms that want to move out of China are high turnover companies, unless we can produce the numbers, at the price, in the time frame there is no way they come to India. China does not have to do a damn thing.

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          • The FBI and the cybersecurity agency said they were issuing the alert to raise awareness of the potential threat and said additional technical details would be released in the coming days.
            That's the bits missing from this article

            Nine influential US senators have introduced a legislation in Congress seeking to authorise President Donald Trump to impose sanctions on China if it fails to cooperate in providing a full accounting of the events leading up to the outbreak of the coronavirus.

            The COVID-19 Accountability Act, authored by Senator Lindsay Graham and co-sponsored by eight others, was introduced in the Senate - the upper chamber of Congress, on Tuesday.

            It mandates the President to make a certification to Congress within 60 days that China has provided a full and complete accounting to any COVID-19 probe led by the US, its allies or the UN affiliates such as the World Health Organization and has closed all operating wet markets that have the potential to expose humans to health risks through the introduction of zoonotic disease into the human population.

            Without the certification, the President would be authorised to impose a range of sanctions such as asset freezes, travel bans, visa revocations, restricting US financial institutions from making loans or underwriting to Chinese businesses and prohibiting Chinese firms from being listed on American stock exchanges.

            "The COVID-19 Accountability Act will force China to provide a full account of the events leading up to this devastating outbreak. America is strong and we will come out of this crisis, but China must be forced to face the facts and take accountability for their actions," he said.

            This legislation would authorise the President to take appropriate actions against the Chinese government to ensure similar outbreaks do not happen in the future, he said.
            This is where we will discover what the China lobby in the US can do. How much and who opposes will not go unnoticed.

            China has dispatched an increasingly vocal cadre of diplomats out into the world of social media to take on all comers with, at times, an eye-blinking frankness. Their aim is to defend China's handling of the coronavirus pandemic and challenge those who question Beijing's version of events.

            So they launch salvos of persistent tweets and posts from their embassies around the world. And they hold little back, deploying sarcasm and aggression in equal measure.

            Such is the novelty of their techniques that they have been dubbed "wolf warrior" diplomats after the eponymous action films.
            hehe, talk about an uphill fight against the nutjobs on the internet. On twitter they can block any one that opposes so they can get their message out up to a point.

            the West feels challenged by China's new "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy.
            Oh really : D

            In an article for Foreign Affairs magazine, Kevin Rudd, the former Australian prime minister, argues that China is paying a price for its new strategy: "Whatever China's new generation of 'wolf-warrior' diplomats may report back to Beijing, the reality is that China's standing has taken a huge hit (the irony is that these wolf-warriors are adding to this damage, not ameliorating it).

            "Anti-Chinese reaction over the spread of the virus, often racially charged, has been seen in countries as disparate as India, Indonesia, and Iran. Chinese soft power runs the risk of being shredded."

            The risk is that China's diplomatic assertiveness may harden attitudes further in the West, with countries becoming more distrustful and less willing to engage with Beijing.
            "How to make friends and influence people" The CCP edition !!

            The people who are supposed to win business for China are being used as front line soldiers ?!?

            Who is in charge of this country. They have completely lost the plot.

            Let these jokers keep digging : D


            The question is whether these diplomatic tensions will deepen into a more serious confrontation between China and the West. This matters not just because of the general risks of escalation but also because there is much on which the world needs to co-operate.
            Party that caused this mess does not get to dictate terms. If they have not got that by now they will soon.
            Last edited by Double Edge; 15 May 20,, 21:37.

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            • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
              If the CCP ends up getting toppled at the end of this we will have achieved something.

              "We've had five plagues from China in the last 20 years. We've had SARS, avian flu, swine flu, COVID-19 now and how longer can the world put up with this terrible public health situation that you've got in the People's Republic of China that is being unleashed on the world," the top American official said.
              Swine flu is H1N1, came from Mexico in 2009. Some people say it came from China and was brought to the Americas by a human.

              SARS came from China.

              Avian flu is H5N1, came from China in 1997

              With C19 that makes 3.

              He, however, did not mention the fifth plague to come out of from China.
              heh

              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
              China uses trade as weapon to silence virus criticism

              Aussies are not backing down this time.
              China has too much at stake to destroy its trading relationship with Australia entirely, Jennings said, and has left alone its biggest Australian imports like iron ore and coal because it needs a reliable supplier.
              That's the Aussie ace card and makes them the ideal candidate to push China
              Last edited by Double Edge; 15 May 20,, 21:18.

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              • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                US senator unveils 18-point plan to hold China accountable for coronavirus outbreak

                If things unveil the way I think it might, China's economy will take a massive hit, and their terrorist son Pakistan will take the fall, along with their communist daddy.
                We're all taking a massive hit this year, every one : (

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                • China is mobilizing its global media machine in the coronavirus war of words
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                  • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                    US senator unveils 18-point plan to hold China accountable for coronavirus outbreak

                    If things unveil the way I think it might, China's economy will take a massive hit, and their terrorist son Pakistan will take the fall, along with their communist daddy.
                    Listen to this, its pretty blunt in how American elites are wooed by big contracts after they retire which means they go soft on China when in office and this has been going on for a while.

                    14:03 onwards.

                    We have a real problem with Chinese influence in the US at the highest levels of govt. Wife of the senate majority leader is making money in China. House majority leaders husband is making money in China. A lot of secretary level officials, when they leave office, they get consulting jobs with China ie former SecDef Bill Cohen, former Sec HSS, Tom Ridge, Kissinger. It's a corrupt system with both parties involved. Bushes & Clintons. There's a lot of corruption, we don't name it that, we don't like to admit it but all that corruption is leading to soft positions on China and the American public is just waking up to this.

                    So there are two forces at play here, the few establishment elites that make a lot from China contracts and the populists that want to go after China.

                    Who will win ?
                    Last edited by Double Edge; 16 May 20,, 22:06.

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                    • When did coronavirus arrive in the US? Here’s a review of the evidence

                      From ‘respect’ to ‘sick and twisted’: How coronavirus hit US-China ties
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                      • This is sick.
                        The two key posters here have no idea what it would mean if the CPP lost power.
                        Start with scores of millions dead, and that would only be inside the country.
                        Add many more millions in countries bordering on China. And, that's only if it remains conventional.

                        Even if one seriously believes China invented COVID-19 and intentionally released it in Wuhan for the sole purpose of letting it leak out into the world, even if that is the sick, twisted theory, even then, to wish to add to the death toll is well below the standards I expect here.
                        Disgusting.
                        Trust me?
                        I'm an economist!

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                        • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                          This is sick.
                          The two key posters here have no idea what it would mean if the CPP lost power.
                          Start with scores of millions dead, and that would only be inside the country.
                          Add many more millions in countries bordering on China. And, that's only if it remains conventional.
                          313k dead worldwide and counting. Add the arguments of those that say this is an under count.

                          Tell me your thoughts on that.

                          Who is responsible ?

                          How sick & disgusting is it that a govt could not care in the slightest about the consequences it was unleashing on the world.

                          As has been said numerous times if there is no recokining to be had with this pandemic we might as well prepare for the next.
                          Last edited by Double Edge; 17 May 20,, 08:26.

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                          • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                            This is sick.
                            The two key posters here have no idea what it would mean if the CPP lost power.
                            Start with scores of millions dead,...
                            Excellent.Make the world a better place by killing communists by the million.
                            Those who know don't speak
                            He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              313k dead worldwide and counting. Add the arguments of those that say this is an under count.

                              Tell me your thoughts on that.

                              Who is responsible ?

                              How sick & disgusting is it that a govt could not care in the slightest about the consequences it was unleashing on the world.

                              As has been said numerous times if there is no recokining to be had with this pandemic we might as well prepare for the next.
                              Are you saying there is someone who deliberately planned this?
                              A minor shred of evidence might be useful before deciding that You Know it wasn’t like all those other viruses that somehow manage to emerge without human purpose.
                              Trust me?
                              I'm an economist!

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                              • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                                Are you saying there is someone who deliberately planned this?
                                Ask the WH and the congress members making those accusations. If you'd been following the articles posted by "the two key posters" so far you'd know this already.

                                Originally posted by DOR View Post
                                A minor shred of evidence might be useful before deciding that You Know it wasn’t like all those other viruses that somehow manage to emerge without human purpose.
                                Their actions especially earlier on could have prevented this outbreak. As we see, they managed to control the flow in their country but let it spread elsewhere

                                I'd say they are responsible and need to be held to it. There are calls for them by world leaders to account for it, yes ?

                                The CCP being toppled as a result of this would be a bonus.
                                Last edited by Double Edge; 17 May 20,, 12:21.

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