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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    The Iranians practically said that they will limit their response: "at a time and place of our choosing." Tehran knows full well that they cannot embark on a military mission. The US will see their build up from a 1000 miles away. The US is practically readied and waiting for such a scenario - with overwhelming force. This ESSENTIALLY means that the Iranians will choose a place and time when there is no such readiness and alert status ... and that ain't no military installation readied to destroy any bn or above size force.
    They'll both strike each others interest in a third party country.

    I doubt the US will send manned missions in a heavily surveillanced airspace. Low flying long range cruise missiles perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazed View Post
    Adil Abdul-Mahdi resigned on 29 November 2019, after weeks of violent protests. The protest were for courption, Iranian influence and meddling,etc.. The Iraqi parliament approved his resignation on 1 December 2019. However, he will continue on in a caretaker role until parliament approves a full-time replacement.
    Mahdi got the parliament to vote on an immediate withdrawal of all US and allied forces today. They passed that motion too, however symbolic it'll end up to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambidex View Post
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...93975732527112

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    @AOC
    This is a war crime.

    Threatening to target and kill innocent families, women and children - which is what you’re doing by targeting cultural sites - does not make you a “tough guy.”

    It does not make you “strategic.”
    It makes you a monster.

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1213654724282593280

    How on earth word 'monster' is an antithesis of the word 'strategic'?

    Is she running for Presidency?
    Notice that she said both "tough guy" and "strategic".

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that she's justifiably concerned about a tiny-minded man with a massive inferiority complex trying to look 'tough' and 'strategic', as if he has a long-range plan in mind (he doesn't, he never has)

    What he's doing instead is threatening explicitly civilian targets (a war crime), like a 'monster', and incidentally causing the military lawyers in the Pentagon that approve targets to smack their foreheads in anger and frustration, I'm sure.

    Not sure how pointing out Trump's obvious barbarity automatically translates into a run for the Presidency, which she won't be Constitutionally eligible for another 5 years in any case.
    “You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if the Senate determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role… because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by m a x View Post
    Is the Iranian fleet able at all to destroy American submarines that potentially would be involved into the mess
    YOU'VE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!!!!!!!!

    Iranian ASW is on par with a rubber ducky against a great white shark!

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    Quote Originally Posted by m a x View Post
    Apparently grave mistake for a general at his level, but in the same logic You can ask What the „Pentagon“ is doing in Iraq /?/. Since the claims from Washington over extraterritorial interests are the core problem, causing these issues all around the World. The entire security environment today would've been much better without USA intervention, even for Israel, where progress for two-state solution is expected. There would've been no Syria or Libya crises, and Crimea also would've still been in Ukraine. Instead of arming ourselves now We would've been able to fully commit against climate change. Seems in Washington really treat the rest of the World as Native American population with its resources
    Yeah, I supposed you would have love the Soviets to be in charge of Mideast Oil instead of the West.

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    Russian Federation is in fact a primary beneficiary of the USA interventions that boost oil-prices. It is exactly this intervention that helped Vladimir Putin to overcome the critical financial situation in which he took presidency and to strengthen his power
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    Quote Originally Posted by m a x View Post
    Apparently grave mistake for a general at his level
    Actually he was apparently making the rounds with proxy forces for New Years it seems. He visited Nasrallah in Beirut beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Actually he was apparently making the rounds with proxy forces for New Years it seems. He visited Nasrallah in Beirut beforehand.
    Apparently a little too hands on for an individual of his stature. Now the last thing his hands did was help himself kiss his behind goodbye. Good riddance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambidex View Post
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...93975732527112

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    @AOC
    This is a war crime.

    Threatening to target and kill innocent families, women and children - which is what you’re doing by targeting cultural sites - does not make you a “tough guy.”

    It does not make you “strategic.”
    It makes you a monster.

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1213654724282593280

    How on earth word 'monster' is an antithesis of the word 'strategic'?

    Is she running for Presidency?
    She is technically correct, no doubt irking for you. It is also a war crime to attack 'cultural sites' not to mention totally counter serving and a waste of time. Doing so is only going to make the population more supportive of the regime and your time and munitions would be better used taking out nuclear facilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m a x View Post
    Russian Federation is in fact a primary beneficiary of the USA interventions that boost oil-prices. It is exactly this intervention that helped Vladimir Putin to overcome the critical financial situation in which he took presidency and to strengthen his power
    I wrote Soviet, not Russian. Get your history right. The reason we're in the Middle East is because we won more than a few wars against the Ottoman Empire (look it up). After the Ottoman Empire collapsed, we wanted to prevent a Russian penetration into former Ottoman lands. From then, we fought against the Nazis for control of the Middle East (I'll you figure it out who won that fight). As a massive guilt trip from WWII, we let Israel came into being. Otherwise, we would have ignored the Arabs doing a genocide of their own. From that point, because everyone was looking towards Moscow for guidance. We started lining up our allies which happens to include Israel who would gladly fight on our side in an anticipated WWIII that never came.

    Now where in all of that is the Russian Federation and Putin (and climate change and Native Americans for that matter)?

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    Seeing that the Iraqi Parliament to throw out all US troops it would fair to say that Trumpkin has blown that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Seeing that the Iraqi Parliament to throw out all US troops it would fair to say that Trumpkin has blown that one.
    The ACTUAL PASSAGE is for the Iraqi Government to start WORKING TOWARDS removing ALL FOREIGN TROOPS, including Iranian.

    A loop hole big enough to drive the QE II through.

    It's fair to say that the Iraqi Parliment has learned a thing or two from Trump writing in loop holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    The ACTUAL PASSAGE is for the Iraqi Government to start WORKING TOWARDS removing ALL FOREIGN TROOPS, including Iranian.
    The Inspector General of the Bundeswehr has suspended the rotation of fresh German troops into Iraq based on that, originally planned for next week. No decision yet on whether to withdraw the troops present there now.

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    Some here create History as it has never happened. Apart from creative writing, however, the decision of Iraqi parliament to kick out US troops from the country is just about the reality and future, We should focus on. Soleimani has just started to achieve one of his goals as a result of Trump's decision to kill him. Any forward imagination of what may come after Trump decides to strike against Iranian territory? More realistic, please, not as the historical fantasy

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