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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostThank you, that's exactly the kind of incisive assessment I was hoping for.
Another question, if you don't mind: Regarding Trump's ongoing willingness to whore himself out as a willing useful idiot, and considering the very good possibility that he will indeed get reelected....Do you see U.S. allies less willing to engage with the US when there is a likelihood of Trump either knowingly or unknowingly spewing secrets out to the world?
That means our intel must feed into American intel in order to maximize their effects. Trump or no Trump, that is not about to change.Chimo
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostYeah but Clinton was half impeached though. Can't charge him then there are other ways to boot the president out.
Impeachment in the US is simply the equivalent of charges being filed. The penalty if convicted is removal from office.Last edited by Ironduke; 02 Aug 19,, 00:38."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostYeah but Clinton was half impeached though. Can't charge him then there are other ways to boot the president out.
Nixon initially went this route and kept firing appointees who turned against him, until his last ounce of his political capital was spent. Then he voluntarily resigned. He could have found a way to stay in office, potentially all the way until 1977, but besieged on all sides with zero political capital.Last edited by Ironduke; 02 Aug 19,, 00:55."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostHe was fully impeached by the House. He wasn't convicted by the Senate in the trial. There's no such thing as a half-impeachment.
If the House of Representatives votes by simply majority to impeach an executive branch elected official or presidential appointee, they have been impeached.
Impeachment in the US is simply the equivalent of charges being filed. The penalty if convicted is removal from office.
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostIf an Attorney General were to allow a President to be charged, that President can be charged if there's a US Attorney willing to bring charges. Considering the President is the boss of both the Attorney General and the US Attorneys, as they are his hand-selected appointees, there would be a Constitutional crisis if this were to occur. A President is free to keep firing Attorney Generals and US Attorneys until the charges were to be withdrawn by a more pliable appointee. The whole mess would get tied up in Supreme Court hearings as well.
Nixon initially went this route and kept firing appointees who turned against him, until his last ounce of his political capital was spent. Then he voluntarily resigned. He could have found a way to stay in office, potentially all the way until 1977, but besieged on all sides with zero political capital.Last edited by Double Edge; 02 Aug 19,, 01:37.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostWell, way i understand impeach is he's gone. Clinton completed his term."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Double Edge View Postheh, where is it wrong ? nah, you just disagree
Went on what you said. If that is wrong then what you said is wrong.
No, I don't intend to read the report. What for.
There is no basis to charge him and that is all that counts.
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostThat's not what it is. I don't think impeachment means removal from office in any jurisdiction. It's just the beginning step. Nothing more.
Such a loud noise is made about that word i thought it meant more. Trump should be impeached etc, this refrain has been constant.
But yes, impeach and then removal if upper house is so moved.
What threw me is this topic came up before and astralis said not by the upper house. True.
So what good is it then. He completes his term, he has this impeachment process on his record.
Clinton was not hindered in any way from performing his duties otherwise was he. What's disturbing is since Clinton every President has had some attempt to impeach them right up and including Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._Park_Geun-hye
In S.Korea an impeachment implies removal from office.Last edited by Double Edge; 02 Aug 19,, 14:57.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostWiki agrees
Such a loud noise is made about that word i thought it meant more. Trump should be impeached etc, this refrain has been constant.
But yes, impeach and then removal if upper house is so moved.
What threw me is this topic came up before and astralis said not by the upper house. True.
So what good is it then. He completes his term, he has this impeachment process on his record.
Clinton was not hindered in any way from performing his duties otherwise was he. What's disturbing is since Clinton every President has had some attempt to impeach them right up and including Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._Park_Geun-hye
In S.Korea an impeachment implies removal from office.
Nonetheless, the high court had a vote on Park's impeachment, only after which was Park removed from office. If the vote had gone the other way, Park would have remained as president. So even in South Korea, impeachment isn't removal from office. Park had to be convicted by the judges of the Constitutional Court of Korea for the removal to take place. Which would generally be the equivalent of a conviction of a US President by our Senate."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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