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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    The Lincoln Memorial borders the Potomac River. Since you believe to have the specs on all adjoining roadways from Union Station to the memorial grounds, a barge could be used to deliver the armor to its static staging area, to put your mind to rest?
    The Army has the available landing craft only a very short distance away at Fort Belvoir.
    So you completely missed that part about "National Park Service officials also reportedly remain concerned about the damage the tanks could cause to the grounds of the memorial."


    In other words, it's just a stupid fucking idea meant to service the ego of a draft-dodging man child that wants to puff his massive ego. Quit moving the goal posts. People with direct knowledge of the situation, whose turf it will be on, a misappropriated waste of taxpayer funds and completely inappropriate for modern American values. All of which means it naturally came from the crazed mind of Donald Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    TDS sufferers, the movement of Five pieces of military equipment to be placed into a static position costs less than a recruiting commercial during the Super Bowl. Catch a breath already.
    Trump Derangement Syndrome: Praising that thug for anything that is happening in this country in the last two years that is good, and ignoring the irreparable damage he and his criminal family have wrought.

    Trump Derangement syndrome is what happens to the cult who follow his every vile action and word like he is the second coming. THAT is derangement.
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    USAF Honor Guard marched in Canada Day celebrations in Nova Scotia. Gee, I wonder who paid for their air travel?
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    Tune into C-Span for coverage now.

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    The War Department has actually damaged the Memorial in the past. It shall survive.
    https://architectofthecapital.org/po...hington-at-war

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    Fox Business Host Lou Dobbs Draws Backlash For Calling U.S. Generals “Snowflakes”

    Fox Business host Lou Dobbs has drawn a swift backlash on social media after he slammed U.S. generals who criticized Donald Trump’s Independence Day celebration.

    “No wonder these Snowflake Generals haven’t won a war since 1991,” Dobbs tweeted. His comment was in response to a CNN report saying that military chiefs and Pentagon officials were concerned that Trump’s event, which includes displays of M1 tanks and other military weaponry, was becoming too politicized. Participation in the event could be in violation of Defense Department guidelines, which require uniformed military personnel to refrain from participating in political activity.

    VoteVets, a progressive veterans advocacy group, noted that Dobbs had never served in combat. “Fox talking head @LouDobbs called military leaders “snowflakes”, although he’s never served in uniform himself. We called him out for it,” the group tweeted.

    Charles Pierce, a political blogger, wrote “Insane Man Has Thoughts”, adding a newspaper-style headline to Dobb’s tweet.

    Trump has faced criticism for his decision to transform the annual Washington, D.C. 4th of July festivities into a multimillion-dollar spectacle, complete with Bradley fighting vehicles, two 60-ton Army Abrams battle tanks, fireworks and a presidential address in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Sitting presidents do not usually take part in the D.C. July 4 celebration, which is intended to be a completely nonpartisan event.

    Trump supporters say he is showing patriotism and celebrating America, including its military greatness. His critics have accused the Administration of turning a taxpayer-funded, nonpolitical event into a reelection rally for a divisive commander in chief. Link
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    Trump's base continues to do what it does best.

    Fuck 'em all.
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    Anti-America self described communists decided it was good idea to burn the flag.
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...side-the-white

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    hey, i'd be all for Sherman tanks to be dragged out of some WWII museum, refurbished and put in a parade. it'd be even better if this could happen in certain areas of the South, too.
    Already made into a feature-length film in 1984. You're 35 years late with the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    Anti-America self described communists decided it was good idea to burn the flag.
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...side-the-white
    Fuck them too.

    And congratulations to Trump for managing to stick to the script and not ramble off on a dozen incoherent tangents.
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    A nice photo of the Blue Angels over the Lincoln Memorial.
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false

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    They showed a bit of this fiasco on TV while I having coffee this morning; "The Continental Army… manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over airports, it did everything it had to do." Nobody thought to tell him that there were no airplanes at the time? Too scared to tell him maybe? Or maybe just another moronic ad lib or the self titled 'genius' traitor President? The man belongs in an asylum if one were to be charitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    You didn't see this?
    That's not a reason, its an opinion. Besides didn't you say the "US military" ?


    That is some incredibly limp speculation. I can't believe you even wrote that lol.
    Twitter discussion i saw some where. That was the best reason.


    Yes, it has happened. And it doesn't happen very much anymore, for much the same reason the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag doesn't include an outstretched arm anymore.
    So that us today article chronicles the few times it happened. Ike did it for his inauguration, twice & JFK in '61, missiles included. I think i have seen this photo some where and figured this happened as a matter of course only to later find out it was an exception.

    You're still scratching that surface here. An outstretched arm with open palm has a fascist connotation after WW2. Are you making a connection between the two.

    Part that surprised me about that us today article was this line

    "No reigning British Monarch had ever set foot on American soil, not even in colonial times," according to the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library and Museum So "Roosevelt's invitation to the King carried great significance in the history of Anglo-American relations because it signified the dawn of a new era in American and British cooperation."
    I find that amazing. Relations must have been strained for very long if that was the case. Which makes this whole "special relationship" thing very recent. Only since WW2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Well that would greatly depend on the popular vote vs the Electoral College again, now wouldn't it.

    If he loses the popular vote (again) by the greatest number in US history (again), then I'll say exact the same thing: The American people have spoken against Trump.
    You are seeing Trump as an aberration. What if he is a transitionary figure. Meaning those coming after are going to retain a good part of his core beliefs if having a different style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    I find that amazing. Relations must have been strained for very long if that was the case. Which makes this whole "special relationship" thing very recent. Only since WW2.
    I have a more nuanced view of the "special relationship". That it was a simply a transitional period that saw the transfer of imperial power from London to DC. We assumed much, but not all of the British Empire's responsibilities, and in other areas extended the Empire's hegemony into areas that Britain would have liked to hegemonize, but was incapable of, e.g. half of Europe.

    In areas where we lacked the knowledge and experience to extend influence and hegemony, we were able lean on London and tap into their vast knowledge, experience, and expertise, which they more or less freely provided to us as part of this "special" arrangement.

    That being said, I think the world on the balance is better off that this system has prevailed as long as it has, especially compared to the alternative of Soviet, Chinese, communist, or fascist hegemony. In my opinion, in the face of these much worse alternatives, London willingly surrendered its hegemony to Washington, and that Washington willingly assumed hegemony from London, being equally aware of the much worse alternatives the world faced.

    Given London's weakness and Washington's strengths, and the perils the world faced, this was the only viable path forward to maintain some semblance of the existing world order, Pax Britannica, etc.

    Both governments went into this eyes wide-open, but the citizenry of each country did not necessarily fully understand what was going on, and many of those who did had profound disagreements with it, which led to some troubles at home in each country at times.

    I see broad parallels in some ways with this to what happened with the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves, when the Portuguese Empire was based out of Rio de Janeiro from 1808-21. The differences coming afterward, whereas Portugal and Brazil bifurcated and became independent entities.

    Britain and the US bifurcated earlier, in the 1780s, and merged back together in the 1940s. There was then a transitional period in which the transfer of power began. The transfer of the seat of empire, and the roles of the US and UK assumed since, has been more enduring and stands in stark contrast to the Portuguese example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    They showed a bit of this fiasco on TV while I having coffee this morning; "The Continental Army… manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over airports, it did everything it had to do." Nobody thought to tell him that there were no airplanes at the time? Too scared to tell him maybe? Or maybe just another moronic ad lib or the self titled 'genius' traitor President? The man belongs in an asylum if one were to be charitable.
    "The Continental Army… manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over airports, it did everything it had to do."

    Oh and let's not forget this little gem

    "...and at Fort McHenry, under the rocket’s red glare it had nothing but victory. And when dawn came, their star-spangled banner waved defiant."

    Didn't know that Fort McHenry existed back in the Revolutionary War, I also just assumed it was built in 1798...or that the British used Congreve Rockets. Coulda sworn they were invented in 1804.

    Trump's usual infantile excuse? "The teleprompter went out, It just went out – it went kaput." So I could have said — and actually right in the middle of sentence it went out. That’s not a good feeling”
    “I knew the speech very well so I was able to do it without a teleprompter. But the teleprompter did go out. And it was actually hard to look at anyway because it was rain all over it.


    Also from Trump in the recent past:

    "I've always said, if you run for president, you shouldn't be allowed to use teleprompters, because you don't even know if the guy is smart."

    "These other guys, they're going around, they make a speech in front of 21 people. Nobody cares, they read the same speech…They have teleprompters. "I say we should outlaw teleprompters … for anybody running for president.”

    "Why does @BarackObama always have to rely on teleprompters?"

    "Bad performance by Crooked Hillary Clinton! Reading poorly from the telepromter! She doesn't even look presidential!”


    So Trump not only has complete morons writing his speeches, but he's also got an utterly shitty grasp of U.S. History...not to mention aviation history.

    SurfGun, you want to try and defend this dementia patient some more?
    “You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if the Senate determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role… because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”
    ~ Lindsey Graham

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