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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Quite fascinated by that flyboard, the inventor demonstrated it back in 2012.
    The 2012 flyboards used a fixed hose to pump up water from a turbine (waterjet) on the surface, which would be expelled by the flyboard for upwards propulsion. The current version (Flyboard Air) was first demonstrated in 2016.

    Flyboard Air has permission to fly in France provided it takes off and lands at an airfield (it has a flight radius of 4 km), and is also allowed to fly in the US as an ultra-light aircraft (they built a modified version in 2017 to comply with regulations for that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Invasions of Canada (1775 and 1812), American Civil War (easy one, either Conferate Americans or Union Americans were going to lose), Vietnam War.
    I'll take it since you picked out one sentence that you see exceptions to, you more or less agree with everything else I stated in that post.

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    The way I see it, the French parades are posturing and a way of compensating for past defeats. France has lost two major wars in the past 150 years, with its capital occupied and independence lost. In the wake of their last defeat, they lost a number of colonial wars and lost most of their Empire. WWI was a close call and had a devastating impact on their national morale.

    The French feel the need to prove something. Despite not having a perfect track record when it comes to quagmire wars marked by insurgency, American military capabilities are unparalleled and we've never lost a conventional war.

    Not a perfect analogy, but French military parades are kind of like the middle-aged guy who doesn't have anything going for him, who goes out and buys a sports car to impress people. Trump obviously feels the need to prove something every hour of every day. His desires for a military parade reflect his owns insecurities and a disturbed pathology. France's military parades have their origin in an insecure pathology that exists on a national level.

    America doesn't have anything to prove.
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    It's not just a French thing but a European thing. Poland, Italy, Russia, Turkey have them. Even East Germany had them before unification. As such, can't really compare to the middle age syndrome.

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    Much of the world has military parades.

    DC is a crappy place for a parade or public going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Invasions of Canada (1775 and 1812), American Civil War (easy one, either Conferate Americans or Union Americans were going to lose), Vietnam War.
    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    It's not just a French thing but a European thing. Poland, Italy, Russia, Turkey have them. Even East Germany had them before unification. As such, can't really compare to the middle age syndrome.
    In the last ~200 years, France has had her capital taken and the country occupied three times. 1815, 1871, and 1940. France lost most of her colonial empire after the Second World War in a humiliating succession of military and political defeats. This is a beside, but France only ever had the Second Empire as a result of the permissiveness and acquiescence of the main world power, Britain.

    The main thrust of my argument was that the French, having lost so many wars, feel that they have something to prove with their military parades and posturing. That there is something psychological at play on a national level, and that France is compensating for past inadequacies and shortcomings with their displays.

    I also believe that Donald Trump also feels he has something to prove to everybody, pretty much every waking minute of his life, as evidenced by his behavior and the things he says. That Trump's psychology is shaped as much by feelings of past inadequacies and failings, as France's is on a national level.

    I'm re-iterating a bit here, but what I'm saying is that France has parades, at least in good part, due to past failings and inadequacies, and Donald Trump likes and wants these same types of parades, in good part, due to these very same type of feelings on his own part.

    I'll go even further. I think that even Trump's run for President was in large part propelled by perceived slights and humiliation, when Obama made fun of him one night at the 2011 White House Correspondent's Dinner. Hats off to Trump, these slights and humiliations propelled him into a course of action that saw him into the Oval Office.

    I suppose the lesson here is to never underestimate the lengths certain men will be willing to go to, and what courses of actions they will undertake, when they feel slighted and humiliated, and have something to prove.

    This stuff about the wars America won or didn't, and middle-aged syndrome is beside the point. But, I don't think we lost our War of Independence or the War of 1812. The United States (aka the Union) was the victor in the Civil War, and Vietnam was for the most part not a conventional war, rather a quagmire-type war marked by insurgency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    In the last ~200 years, France has had her capital taken and the country occupied three times. 1815, 1871, and 1940.
    France occupied Berlin a hell of a lot longer than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    France lost most of her colonial empire after the Second World War in a humiliating succession of military and political defeats.
    They were not the only ones. All the Colonial Powers saw retreat and humilation, especially the Dutch and Belgians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    This is a beside, but France only ever had the Second Empire as a result of the permissiveness and acquiescence of the main world power, Britain.
    Britain lost her share of wars against the French.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    The main thrust of my argument was that the French, having lost so many wars, feel that they have something to prove with their military parades and posturing. That there is something psychological at play on a national level, and that France is compensating for past inadequacies and shortcomings with their displays.
    France had a say in German unification, most noteably that a unified Germany cannot be allowed to be neutral and must always be in NATO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    This stuff about the wars America won or didn't, and middle-aged syndrome is beside the point. But, I don't think we lost our War of Independence or the War of 1812.
    The strategic intent of the attacks on the Canadas was to evict the British. That was a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    The United States (aka the Union) was the victor in the Civil War,
    Your exact word was American. Either way, either the United States of America or the Confederate States of America was in that war. One America was destined to lose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    and Vietnam was not a conventional war, rather a quagmire-type war marked by insurgency.
    Insurgency is conventional war. Insurgencies weaken the occupier and buy time for the conquered to mass for decisive action. Historically, insurgency is the norm.

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    I'm going to abridge my last post, and strip out the extraneous bits that are beside the point. Wasn't looking to get into a debate on differing interpretations of history, that were only provided as background as to why I think these certain feelings exist.

    I am after all making an argument as to why I think France has these parades, and why Trump wants them.

    Feelings of:

    • inadequacy
    • shortcomings
    • failings
    • having something to prove.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    The main thrust of my argument was that the French, having lost so many wars, feel that they have something to prove with their military parades and posturing. That there is something psychological at play on a national level, and that France is compensating for past inadequacies and shortcomings with their displays.

    I also believe that Donald Trump also feels he has something to prove to everybody, pretty much every waking minute of his life, as evidenced by his behavior and the things he says. That Trump's psychology is shaped as much by feelings of past inadequacies and failings, as France's is on a national level.

    I'm re-iterating a bit here, but what I'm saying is that France has parades, at least in good part, due to past failings and inadequacies, and Donald Trump likes and wants these same types of parades, in good part, due to these very same type of feelings on his own part.

    I'll go even further. I think that even Trump's run for President was in large part propelled by perceived slights and humiliation, when Obama made fun of him one night at the 2011 White House Correspondent's Dinner. Hats off to Trump, these slights and humiliations propelled him into a course of action that saw him into the Oval Office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    I also believe that Donald Trump also feels he has something to prove to everybody, pretty much every waking minute of his life, as evidenced by his behavior and the things he says. That Trump's psychology is shaped as much by feelings of past inadequacies and failings, as France's is on a national level.
    No question about it. The man is a walking example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

    The DSM-5 indicates that persons with NPD usually display some or all of the following symptoms, typically without the commensurate qualities or accomplishments

    • Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people
    • Fixation on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
    • Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions
    • Need for continual admiration from others
    • Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
    • Exploitation of others to achieve personal gain
    • Unwillingness to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people
    • Intense envy of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them
    • Constantly demeans, bullies and belittles others


    We can take this a step further and look at the following subtypes:

    Compensatory narcissist: Seeks to counteract or cancel out deep feelings of inferiority and lack of self-esteem; offsets deficits by creating illusions of being superior, exceptional, admirable, noteworthy; self-worth results from self-enhancement.

    Malignant narcissism is a psychological syndrome comprising an extreme mix of narcissism, antisocial behavior, aggression, and sadism.
    Grandiose, and always ready to raise hostility levels, the malignant narcissist undermines families and organizations in which they are involved, and dehumanizes the people with whom they associate.

    Fearless, guiltless, remorseless, calculating, ruthless, inhumane, callous, brutal, rancorous, aggressive, biting, merciless, vicious, cruel, spiteful; hateful and jealous; anticipate betrayal and seeks punishment; desires revenge; has been isolated, and is potentially suicidal or homicidal.

    Then of course his obvious signs of early-onset Dementia, which are myriad.

    Put it all together and this is the man sitting in the Oval Office. But at least he's against abortion and calls liberals hilarious schoolyard names.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    I'll go even further. I think that even Trump's run for President was in large part propelled by perceived slights and humiliation, when Obama made fun of him one night at the 2011 White House Correspondent's Dinner. Hats off to Trump, these slights and humiliations propelled him into a course of action that saw him into the Oval Office.
    I think it was just as much about finding a new revenue stream after The Apprentice was over. He was broke until Mark Burnett came along and once that gravy train pulled into the final station, Trump was right back at Square One, financially, and he knew it.

    "Donald Trump is a man who ran for office to make his brand great, not to make our country great. He had no desire or intention to lead this nation, only to market himself and to build his wealth and power."

    "Mr. Trump would often say this campaign was going to be the greatest infomercial in political history. "He never expected to win the primary. He never expected to win the general election. The campaign for him was always a marketing opportunity."
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