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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Bottom line : it still remains possible for a resident of HK to murder or rape another in China, Macau & Taiwan and if they flee back to HK there is no way to bring them to justice in the place the crime was committed.

    How long can this situation endure ?
    So Hong Kong is like every other country in the world. If you don't have an extradiction agreement/treaty with an existing country, you punish the criminal in your own court/jail. Currently, HK has such agreements with 20 countries around the world.

    Don't worry about China. If the crime is big enough, Chinese troops would march into the perp's home and no one would dare to stop them. There's a Chinese garrison in Hong Kong to do just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hboGYT View Post
    Wouldn't make a difference. They could've gone to Antigua anyway.
    If you read Chinese can you tell me what the media coverage of these protests is in China ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    So Hong Kong is like every other country in the world. If you don't have an extradiction agreement/treaty with an existing country, you punish the criminal in your own court/jail. Currently, HK has such agreements with 20 countries around the world.
    Didn't work out that way despite the guy admitting to the murder

    Man who killed girlfriend in Taiwan could be free by October, setting effective deadline for Hong Kong government’s extradition plan | SCMP | Apr 29 2019

    High Court judge Anthea Pang Po-kam said Chan’s money laundering was aggravated by a serious predicate offence involving theft from a person he had admitted to killing and that he had brought her property from Taiwan to Hong Kong for his sole benefit.

    But she stressed that Chan could only be sentenced on that basis as the killing was separate from the thefts which gave rise to the present charges.

    “It is understandable that great frustration and a genuine sense of unfairness, to say the least, would be felt when an accused’s admission about killing someone outside this jurisdiction cannot be a basis to bring a murder or manslaughter charge in Hong Kong,” Pang told a full house in court.

    “We should never lose sight of the fact that no matter how likely an accused has actually committed a most heinous crime, he is entitled to the full protection of his rights associated with a fair trial [or] it would mean short-circuiting our criminal procedure and this affects not only the accused, but also the integrity of our entire criminal justice system.”
    Wow!

    So he kills the girl friend then empties her bank account. They bring money laundering charges against him instead of murder charges. Why ? is there no basis to try him for murder in HK as you said

    This 19yr old defendant has good lawyers, all i can say or the prosecution botched the job. He's free to go on the basis of a technicality.

    The High Court heard Chan, 20, admitted to Hong Kong police he had killed his girlfriend, Poon Hiu-wing, 20, while in Taiwan after learning that she was pregnant with another man’s child, hours before they were due to return to Hong Kong on February 17, 2018.

    Back in Hong Kong, the Shenzhen-born student pleaded guilty to four counts of money laundering, which stemmed from his theft of Poon’s property, including her HSBC bank card, a Casio digital camera and an iPhone 6, as well as NT$20,000 (US$650) and HK$19,200 (US$2,450) in cash. He used the stolen money to settle his credit card bills.

    His offence is punishable by 14 years’ imprisonment and a HK$5 million fine.
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    If HK can evict the Head of the Press Club, they can throw out the used toilet paper. Just no one got the political balls to use political capital to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    If HK can evict the Head of the Press Club, they can throw out the used toilet paper. Just no one got the political balls to use political capital to do so.
    China warns against foreign interference as Hong Kong bans journalist | AFP | Oct 06 2018

    Hong Kong Leader Declines to Clarify Why British Journalist Forced to Leave | US News | Oct 09 2018

    Should not require political balls or political capital to deal with a simple open and shut murder case.

    I'm reminded of the 2003 protest against a sedition law that China was trying to push in HK. That did not work and the people won. So its not illegal to say HK should be independent but there will be harassment.
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    Not being able to extradite criminals to other countries was just a pretext for pushing the amendment. Taiwan has been extraditing criminals to other countries for years without even having the benefit of diplomatic recognition, let alone an extradition treaty. Those are legal niceties that a government don't actually need to do business.
    All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
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    Issue isn't about Taiwan extraditing, its about HK extraditing.

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