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  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    If they're going to be sending missile making equipment why do it via India ?!?
    Perhaps, they thought India wouldn't know, and customs got a tip off. Perhaps, the ship's crew had an emergency and needed to berth.
    Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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    • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
      I read this exact news a while back, this is definitely not news of February. Something's cooking, I don't know exactly what.
      I didn't understand that underlined bit ?

      Let's go with the word cooking and what mind games we can play with it.

      Both China & the Paks will be watching Trump's visit. What he says and what gets agreed to.

      That we have this development is good timing.

      China is an issue otherwise Trump would not bother to come over. He wants a closer relationship with India.

      Watch China's reaction in the coming weeks and months.

      American interest in India is because of China. Goes right back to independence and Truman.

      US China policy shaped US India policy and India's perception of China affected how it dealt with the US.

      So China shapes and influences US - India relations

      When China ceases to be a problem then Americans lose interest in India.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 22 Feb 20,, 04:08.

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      • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
        I had venison some months back. Think I told you that. Went for a hunt etc. The other thing is tortoise, damn tasty meat. Tortoise meat is hard, so it's imperative to boil it properly, and garam masala is needed a wee bit more.

        Anteaters are very tasty meat too. My dad, when I was a kid used to buy the tail for it had only meat.

        Buffalo, cooked properly tastes just like mutton.

        Wild hog, very less fat, and more muscle. Damn tasty. I have eaten jackal too when I was a kid, don't remember the taste now.

        Porcupine is tasty meat too. Lots of other meat I'm forgetting. I can talk about meat all day. Meat is like therapy for me. We should have a meat thread in here. :D
        You have a taste for the exotic, the only game i've had is venison & pheasant and that bird still had shot pellets in it you had to mind for while chewing.

        The anteater part has me curious. See, there was this US naval pilot tasked with enforcing a NFZ over Serbia in the 90s. His plane was hit by a SAM and he had to survive for at least five days in the wild behind enemy lines all the while evading Serbian search patrols until he could be evacuated. They made a movie about it with Owen Wilson in the lead role as Navy pilot & Gene Hackman

        Now, the movie was based on the book this pilot wrote but wasn't exactly true to it. There was some tiff and ended in an out of court settlement between him & the movie studios.

        But in the book, he mentions he survived for five days by eating ants. He said a pound of ants has more protein than a pound of beef.

        I'd imagine anteater would be high quality protein in the jungle with nothing more appetising to be had.


        Most non-veg people think meat comes from supermarket shelves. Dogs and Pigs are considered as haram in Islam. Both animals that can sit on their hind legs, this a practising muslim told me.

        The difference I think, is the psychology of fear that tribals espouse. Nobody knows them or their culture that closely, but many do know a century back Nagas were head-hunters. If that's doesn't chill your bones, you need to spend some time with me and my friends in the middle of nowhere, foxes howling, hills surrounding, and people getting drunk and sleeping with a khukri at arm's length. These people don't fear tigers or leopards roaming in the hills, or bear attacks, and they get drunk and sleep peacefully. I had to get drunk, after so many years, to hide my fear, and get some sleep. Pussy me. :D By the time I woke up, they had already killed a rat snake and put it up for breakfast. I witnessed only the skin, and some sounds earlier when the snake was passing by. Poor snake.

        Do you remember the Muslim guy from Assam lynched in Dimapur? Muslims created a lot of hue and cry that they will have revenge. I see no revenge. On the contrary, Nagas keep coming to muslims dominated places, and do business.

        If a community is known for violence, all other communities leaves them alone. That is a FACT. You won't even see Hindus fighting or wanting to fight the Nagas. :D
        What if it isn't fear that that Kashmiris feel towards Nagas but respect ?

        Nagas aren't the kind to submit. As far as they're concerned Indians are just the latest in a string of invaders that is trying to subjugate them. They've been fighting outsiders a lot longer than Kashmiris who are rank novices in comparison.

        White face, brown face equals not a Naga face equals resist. If ever we were to make peace with these people it was with Article 371

        The FATA lot are no different.

        Wanted to reply for ages but kept forgetting : )
        Last edited by Double Edge; 28 Feb 20,, 17:53.

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        • Am making the point if India could handle all those NE rebels over the decades then Kashmir isn't going to be that hard : D

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          • Angad brings some clarity to a confusing topic. We need anywhere from 200 - 300 fighters. We're doing it in chunks of 100

            New fighters for the IAF: Answers and more questions | ORF | Jul 04 2020

            Discussion about the article
            Last edited by Double Edge; 14 Jul 20,, 04:50.

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            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
              Angad brings some clarity to a confusing topic. We need anywhere from 200 - 300 fighters. We're doing it in chunks of 100

              New fighters for the IAF: Answers and more questions | ORF | Jul 04 2020

              Discussion about the article
              And then it's a diferent model for each chunk...

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              • Am getting the impression that is already the case within the first chunk

                Second hand mirages from Brazil.

                Mig 29s

                Some SU-30's

                Maybe couple more squadrons of Rafale since the second round will be cheaper

                Throw in some LCA

                While this is going on announce a new plan to buy 114 jets and call it MRFA.

                Given how the previous MMCA went, people aren't very confident how this new MRFA will pan out.

                126 jets turned out to be just 36 with the option to get more in the future.

                Yeah, i think that's what i got so far : )
                Last edited by Double Edge; 14 Jul 20,, 12:08.

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                • First batch of Rafale have arrived



                  Five Rafale jets land in India: All you need to know | TOI | Jul 29 2020

                  The new five Rafale fighters arrived in India on Wednesday and touched-down at the Ambala air base in Haryana after covering a journey of 7,000-km from France. The journey included a mid-air refueling and an overnight pit stop in the UAE. The three single-seat and two twin-seat omni-role fighters, flown by seven IAF pilots of the 17 "Golden Arrows" squadron were led by commanding officer Group Captain Harkirat Singh.


                  This one has been doing the rounds on WhatsApp
                  Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Jul 20,, 06:37.

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                  • Maybe some things every one just has to go through..


                    Military aircraft procurement: An insider reflects on why it so often goes wrong | Hush Kit | Mar 30 2020

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                    • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                      I couldn't find the Indian defence thread, so posting it here.

                      Boeing tests Super Hornet for Indian Navy

                      So many things happening, and so much confusion.
                      Lives in the Naval warfare section


                      Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                      This should be a no brainer. Navalized Sukhois. Your logistics are already in place and HIND is already doing the maintenance. But intelligent choices are really too much to ask for from any government.

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                      • 10 years from now what offensive platforms are we going to use ?

                        If the Russians can keep at it we're good. If not then we're going with western platforms.

                        Which western platforms ? Are we going to be all Rafale or will there be American

                        This is where the S-400 purchase can become problematic.

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                        • India’s Indigenous Aircraft Carrier Has Gone To Sea For The First Time

                          Despite delays, the new INS Vikrant is nevertheless an important step toward expanding India’s carrier force.

                          ndia has joined the select group of countries to have designed and built their own aircraft carriers, with its first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier, or IAC, named INS Vikrant, having begun sea trials today. While the program has suffered delays and cost overruns, the milestone is still a significant one for the Indian Navy and its air arm and is the next step toward India fielding its planned multiple-carrier force.

                          With almost all the construction work on the warship now completed, Vikrant can commence at-sea trials, the propulsion and power generation equipment already having been tested while in harbor late last year. The new carrier was most recently expected to have gone to sea earlier this year, but that schedule was interrupted by the COVID pandemic. The first voyage will now be used to assess the performance of the hull, main propulsion, auxiliary equipment, and others.

                          DEFENSE MINISTER OF INDIA

                          INS Vikrant leaves port in Cochin earlier today, to commence its first sea trials.

                          Described by the Indian Navy as the nation’s largest and most complex warship, the Vikrant was built at Cochin Shipyard in Kerala and is a flagship of the “Make in India” initiative, which promotes indigenous projects to spur the country’s economic growth and technological know-how. According to the Indian Ministry of Defense, Vikrant has more than 76 percent indigenous content, but it’s been a long time coming — the Cabinet Committee on Security approved construction of the new carrier as long ago as 1999 and the planned commissioning date slipped from 2014 to 2018, and now to 2022.

                          The new vessel has a reported top speed of 28 knots and an endurance of around 7,500 nautical miles, powered by General Electric LM2500 gas turbines. With a length of 860 feet, a width of 203 feet at its widest point, and a height of 194 feet including the superstructure, Vikrant is comparable in dimensions to the Indian Navy’s current aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, a completely reworked Kiev class warship. That ship was first ordered from Russia in 2004, but suffered extensive delays in the conversion process, and was not commissioned into Indian service until 2013.

                          The Vikrant also shares some other general design features with the Vikramaditya, particularly in that it is similarly equipped for short take-off but arrested recovery, or STOBAR operations. This means the warship lacks catapults, and instead it launches its fixed-wing aircraft off an angled “ski jump” ramp over the bow, before recovering them using arrester wires.

                          However, the Vikrant is said to have introduced some notable advances over the older, Soviet-era design. For example, its crew of around 1,700 are provided with specialized cabins for female officers, and the level of automation is reportedly increased considerably, improving machinery operation, navigation, and survivability.

                          DEFENSE MINISTER OF INDIA

                          INS Vikrant goes to sea for the first time, off the Malabar Coast.

                          The introduction of gas turbine propulsion, in particular, should help address some of the earlier reliability problems and safety concerns that have faced the Vikramaditya, which is powered by steam boilers.

                          While the aircraft-operating principles are broadly similar, it is also important to remember that the Vikrant was designed from the outset as a STOBAR vessel, while Vikramaditya was modified to this configuration after being completed as a vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) carrier, with no ski jump.

                          Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri served as a consultant for the design of the Vikrant’s hangar and deck. Unlike on Vikramaditya, the ship has elevators installed on either side of the superstructure, these also being moved to the deck edges, on the starboard side, to improve aircraft handling and movements. The size of those elevators, however, could still be a problem, since they appear to be scaled more or less exclusively to the Russian-made MiG-29K/KUB Fulcrum fighter jet, potentially preventing any larger fixed-wing types from being deployed, at least without significant modifications.

                          In terms of sensors and weapons, the Vikrant includes the Israeli-supplied IAI Elta EL/M-2248 MF-STAR, with four active electronically scanned radar arrays, which can be used for surface search as well as tracking aerial contacts. The defensive weaponry is a mix of Israeli and Russian systems, with Rafael Barak 8 surface-to-air missiles complemented by AK-630 Gatling-gun-type close-in weapon systems (CIWS).

                          Arguably just as important as any new carrier is the carrier-based fighter that is intended to operate from it. Currently, the standard Indian Navy carrier fighter is the MiG-29K/KUB, which operates from the Vikramaditya. India ordered 45 examples of these multi-role jets in two batches. However, a successor is being sought under the Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter (MRCBF) competition, which calls for 57 new jets. These had been expected to operate from both Vikrant and the next indigenous carrier, although the elevator dimensions on the Vikrant could make that very difficult. In fact, it could mean that the Russian jet is the only feasible option for the Vikrant, which would potentially jeopardize the entire MRCBF effort.

                          With the indigenous HAL Naval Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), a carrier-capable version of the Indian Air Force’s Tejas, having been rejected by the navy, the MRCBF is likely to be chosen from one of three offerings, the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, or the MiG-29K. A carrier-based Gripen has been proposed, too, but is unlikely to displace any of the three off-the-shelf options, unless the Gripen is ordered for the Indian Air Force, too. Ironically, the unwanted Naval LCA would have been small enough to use the elevators on the Vikrant.

                          INDIAN NAVY

                          A prototype of the HAL Naval LCA lightweight fighter takes off from the Shore Based Test Facility at INS Hansa, Goa, in 2014.

                          With an eye on MRCBF, Boeing has been especially active in demonstrating that the Super Hornet can operate from a ski jump deck, with a series of trials using the ground-based ramp at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland, which you can read more about here and here.

                          As well as MiG-29K/KUBs, and the future MRCBF, the Vikrant is likely to embark, in the near-term at least, Kamov Ka-31 Helix airborne early warning helicopters, Ka-28 Helix anti-submarine helicopters, and HAL Chetak plane-guard and utility helicopters. On the Vikramaditya at least, the standard air wing comprises 16-24 MiG-29K/KUBs and a handful of Chetaks, with other helicopters normally embarked on escort vessels.

                          DEFENSE MINISTER OF INDIA

                          An Indian Navy Sea King helicopter prepares to touch down on the deck of the Vikrant.

                          The Indian Navy is a long-term aircraft carrier operator, the start of sea trials for the Vikrant coming 50 years after a ship of the same name (a British-made Majestic class carrier) took part in India’s 1971 war with Pakistan.

                          INDIAN NAVY

                          The original INS Vikrant (R11) with a Sea King helicopter during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1971.

                          Since then, the Indian Navy has operated the INS Viraat (the former HMS Hermes), introduced in the mid-1980s, together with the Sea Harrier short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) fighter, and which you can read about in more detail here. The original Vikrant was decommissioned in 1997, but with the introduction of the Vikramaditya in 2013, India briefly had a two-carrier fleet again, until the Viraat and the Sea Harriers were decommissioned between 2016 and 2017.

                          Once the new Vikrant is commissioned into service, planned for the middle of next year, India will once again possess two carriers, but its ambitions extend beyond that.

                          The next indigenous carrier, or IAC-2, INS Vishal is planned to be significantly bigger, in the region of 65,000 tons, compared to 40,000 tons for the new Vikrant. Reflecting this ambition, India has looked to both the United Kingdom and the United States for potential collaboration on IAC-2, in particular in the fields of launch and recovery systems, propulsion, and overall design. This vessel is expected to enter service sometime in the 2030s and may well incorporate an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) in place of the ski jump, with the United States having approved the transfer of this technology to India.

                          Once India reinstates its two-carrier force, it will, in theory, be able to have separate vessels for patrolling home waters (or training) and for out-of-area deployments, although this will also depend on maintenance requirements.

                          Currently, the Vikramaditya is the Indian Navy’s flagship, but it has not been involved in any combat operations. Instead, the carrier has been used mainly for exercises across the Indo-Pacific region, including with the U.S. Navy and, most recently, with the Royal Navy’s Carrier Strike Group 21. With India’s carrier capabilities now set to increase, it’s also possible that these warships will take a more active role in responding to geopolitical tensions in the region.

                          A credible carrier force would certainly be a very valuable tool for India as it seeks to take a more active role militarily in the maritime domain in the Indo-Pacific region, particularly with an eye on China, one of its major regional adversaries. China has, of course, already been pushing ahead with its own carrier plans, with work on a third carrier underway and some observers claiming that Beijing ultimately plans for “10 or more” carriers in the long term. Whatever the truth in that assessment, China is now some way ahead of India in terms of carrier building, and that trend is likely to continue.

                          India, like China, sees aircraft carriers, and the highly visible power-projection capabilities they engender, as being a fundamental part of its navy’s ability to match expanding national aspirations. Ultimately, however, India is very much in the process of establishing a modern carrier fleet and it remains to be seen just how effective it will be on a regional and global stage.
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                          Congratulations to India, she's a fine looking ship!
                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • Joe, quick question...do you know how much smaller the elevators are as compared to a Nimitz?

                            Their size really necks down the aircraft it can have aboard.
                            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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                            • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                              Joe, quick question...do you know how much smaller the elevators are as compared to a Nimitz?

                              Their size really necks down the aircraft it can have aboard.
                              I'd have to do some checking but I don't think that smaller elevators are necessarily a hinderance. Carrier aircraft these days are practically dainty compared to the absolute whales of the 50's and 60's.

                              My guess is the elevators are a good size for both current and potential Indian naval aviation and also for optimizing flight deck real estate (note how the Ford-class eliminated 1 elevator from the Nimitz-class)
                              “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                              • Some top-down shots so we can see the elevators.

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                                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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